My lifelong best friend is Jewish....he was the best man at my wedding. Enough said.

What other Countries can a global for-profit corporation seeking to relocate (or for God's sake an actual person) obtain for "for-profit" health care insurance?

No answers? Does this mean that only in the "greatest country in the world" can one obtain prestigious "for-profit" health care insurance?

In a sense, they did. People were pointing out from the start that if Clinton were selected, a Republican would be elected.

Maybe the question is, how can we stop oil corporations from forcing the US middle class to consume excessive amounts of fossil fuels?

Donald Trump closed his first speech to the United Nations by calling on the world to make common cause against the "enemies of humanity" He was in fact demanding the entire world attack the republican controlled America. He needs to stop looking thur the republican rear view mirror and become a real human being!

So the NY Times has it wrong too. It seems everyone but you is wrong. Even the references you provide must have gotten it wrong. The first shows more countries having insurance than single payer, the second is about universal health care, not single payer.

New Zealanders ask the same. But it's not really the fault of Americans is it. You had no choice. Nasty Hillary vs Nasty Trump... Your political system is totally corrupted, from the ballot box, the rolls, through to the corrupt media and corrupted election vote counting system. You do know Bush stole the 2000 election, yet no one cared or complained? It's been 100% proven, beyond doubt. Sure, the US media kept the story well buried, but if that had happened in a 'real' democracy like Germany, Canada, Australia or New Zealand, there would be riots.

As George Carlin once said, the real problem is you are OWNED. You don't have a democracy in the normal sense, but 'elected' officials who are only beholding to the wealthy and business interests. You know, a little bit like Russia, except your Oligarchs are the corporates and evil people like the Kochs... And now you have an incompetant, egotistical billionaire President. You must be proud. And you ask why other countries fear the USA in terms of world peace and possible extinction event. Nth Korea or ISIS or Russia are not the problem here. Time you stood up and took your country back before it's too late and we all suffer....

I am sure trump scared everone in that room with his reckless murderous ranting! But I doubt he will ever stop thinking Global Warming/Climate Change is nothing but some hoax created by China to destroy the US. So I highly doubt he would ever go after big oil.

I'm so honored, óinseach, that you read my every post with such enthusiasm, even to go back and reread past "pearls of wisdom." If you live long enough -- time's a-runnin' out, granny -- you may even become educated enough to vote intelligently the next time around and pick an actually qualified candidate who has some integrity. Hint: you certainly won't find many in the Republican Party of recent memory -- that's sure been demonstrated in spades from the Nixon era to the present Trump/Republican nightmare.

As far as the quote is concerned, although you took it out of the context of the thread to insinuate some inner perception of hypocrisy, I stand by it as true as ever, and not just because I say so. It's pointless to rehash whatever was being discussed at the time, but I'm pretty sure it was in response to a troll stating a worthless opinion as a fact, which is normally the case. Nothing wrong with opinions otherwise.

I believe in free speech: someone is free to state an opinion and someone else is free to challenge it. Free speech works both ways.

Also, whatever "advice" offered to you two clowns is nothing but merriment and mirth, since you're both hopelessly steeped in Republican's lies.

Ah but, we're on page two of a dead thread, so I'm outta here. You two may have the last word, which no one will read anyway, certainly not I. At this point, you're back on your own. Can you handle it without training wheels? Back into the echo chamber (of two) wit ya, little trolls!

DS

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”

Carl Sandburg

You're beating the hell out of the table.....Funny, you said nothing about the NY Times article. Is that because the Times article backup the fact that Private insurance is much more prominent and provides better care than single payer.

Hotdog lady,
Para #1: Your first sentence insists on doubling down on your original lie. "Force" is the wrong word applied to the wrong system -- right now everyone is forced into one of the most expensive and corrupt systems on Earth. If the Medicare-for-all bill was passed cleanly, without Republicans and corp Dems punching it full of holes, so that the insurance industry can sell over-priced supplements to their captive consumers, then every employee in America would voluntarily flock to it in droves, because it's just an all around better deal for patients, providers, and taxpayers. Only an idiot would stubbornly cling to an inferior employer-based policy. It's not cheaper and better "because I say so" (another Ou812 lie); that's the analysis of every credible study that's ever unpacked all the possible versions of a national healthcare policy -- primarily because it takes the profit motive away and wrings the greed out of the system. You didn't study any of the source material, did you? Otherwise, you wouldn't have also included all the canards in your last sentence, all debunked lies.

Para # 2: You are deliberately misconstruing (lying about) the main point of the Forbes article and why I included it, which was already explained above -- the fallacy of free-market healthcare. I gather sources from many different viewpoints and cross-check key points. That doesn't mean that every point in a single article is valid or that I would agree with an author on her or his every point, especially in an opinion piece. But since you thrive on right-wing lies (The author bills himself as a recovering Republican, so he is still infected with residual untruths), your last sentence -- OF COOOURSE! -- doubles down on the lie and missed the truth. Typical. It's a crime that your school board hasn't revoked your certificate for poisoning the minds of children. What a waste of taxpayer money!

Para # 3: Well, gee, pardon me for not addressing every single aspect of the issue. ("Who knew healthcare was so complicated?" -- Pussy-grabber). Besides, that would add so many more paragraphs, which you're good at counting but not so good at reading. That's okay; I know reading comprehension is hard for Fux News potatoes without splashy pictures and blonde-hair pundits 'splainin stuff.

Yes, isn't it sad that "free" clinics, which have been much maligned by right-wing zealots and religious whackjobs, must pick up the slack in the richest nation on Earth? Reality check: free clinics are chronically short on funds and simply cannot keep up with the demand, the millions upon millions of desperate human beings whom Republicans kicked to the curb. Ditto for Medicaid: federal subsidies are always on the Republican chopping block, while the red states always defund further to balance their budgets to compensate for reducing tax revenue from wealthy individuals (the most important Republican base) and their corporate monopolies.

Unless youre bleeding badly, got broken bones, near death, or otherwise very seriously ill, no hospital could afford to stay open if management allowed all the poor people into their emergency room queue for annual checkups, or to see if a fever is something more serious than the flu, or for preventative care, or to treat a disease at the early stages before it gets really pricey -- unnecessary costs resulting in even higher prices and premiums for everybody else. Relying on emergency room services to pick up the slack is by far the most expensive way for taxpayers to subsidize medical treatment for poor people. WTF world do you live in?! Oh yeah: Lie Lie Land. Bam, bam, bam ...three lies in a row in one sentence. Impressive!

Proven yet again, you are incapable of making points without directly lying yourself and/or stupidly disseminating lies from Republican don't-think tanks. There's no sense in debating a liar, other than for the dark humor it provides. In case you haven't noticed, not too many around here, except your fellow trolls, bother to engage you. The reason is obvious.