Outside of the current situation in the White House, I think what may go down in history as one of the biggest political errors in our history, will be the failure of Democrats to include a public option in the ACA. The excuse that they were trying to get concensus is silly, because they got absolutelyzerovotes from any Republicans, not one...
It seems to me that the least disruptive approach would be to include that public option ASAP. If the free market is so innovative and more efficient than the government in administering and underwriting the expenses, let them prove it.
People that believe we couldn't possibly afford that expense don't seem to account for what we currently pay that doesn't even cover tens of millions of Americans at all, with untold millions who can't afford to cover their part of co-pay and or deductibles.
And there is absolutely no excuse for not requiring the pharmaceutical industry to negotiate drug pricing for Medicare, Medicaid, the public option, etc..
We should implement the Sanders proposal to include dental, vision and hearing aids. Feeding a middle man in such a huge portion of our economy, is simply a luxury wecan't afford.
I believe people underestimate the improvement in our quality of life by removing the financial aspect out of the basic things required for life. It would likely improve actual health by the reduction in stress, which would help reduce costs. If we truly want to be the global leader, we have to start doing rational things, instead of all the endless bickering.
This whole thing also leads me to believe that the establishment Democrats are just a similar group as the Republican establishment, in that they are both funded by the wealthy and corporate America, with no incentive to actually help average Americans.
It doesn't make us a "communist" nation because we use a public system to handle the accounting and financing. It just makes us less stupid... ;^)
A rhetorical question is really a subjective statement to ponder and doesn't require an objective answer. As long as Republicans control government, however, any public outcry in opposition to the extremist, fascistic agenda of the pro-corporate, anti-people party of greedy oligarchs will be fiercely contested with a barrage of lies, innuendo, and finger-pointing. Dissenting voices will not be tolerated.
Anything good that Republicans might say about their self-dealing con-jobs is nothing but tortured rhetoric; everything bad is the reality. In just one day, their mad king sabotaged the healthcare of millions, sabotaged the Iran nuclear treaty, sabotaged the clean-air act, and sabotaged the budget by insisting on the Mexican wall boondoggle. Add these moronic decisions to the long list of other destructive edicts issued in just eight months under King Don's executive unilateralism. Where is the good?
And where is the Republican-controlled congress? Bogged down with unworkable ideologies, they still have to pay for everything "guvmunt" by December 8, to increase the debt ceiling or have the U.S. default, to deal with an immigration program expiring soon ...yet, they can't even figure out how to save a healthcare program for children (For chrissake!), which they had let expire.
Rhetorical questions to ponder: "Isn't this ... why we need ... Medicare for All?" --Thom Hartmann. "Isn't it time we declared the Republican party a traitorous organization or at least organized crime?" --ScottFromOz. "Aren't low-information Trump voters really just ignorant fools?" --the rest of the world.
Dianereynolds: We already know that around 95% of political radio shows are extreme right-wing, so no sense in going there. However, turn off your Foxaganda and check out CBS, NBC, and ABC News along with their political talk shows....you would never know the Democratic party even exists. Sure they might talk about Crooked Donny being crooked, but never a word about what the progressive Dems want to do for, "We the People," things the vast majority already want such as single-payer, raise the cap, green energy, assault weapons control, tax the extremely rich, labor union support, bankster regulations, environmental regulations, you name it. .....basically Bernie and the progressive Dems want to legislate agianst the greed that is concentrating wealth and ripping this country apart. ...a well kept secret the Fascists will suppress at all expense.
Bottom line: Congress knows there would be no logic in anything resembling universal health care, in a country that is 20-some years into its war on the poor. You can ignore this, but Congress cannot. The overall life expectancy of the US poor already fell below that of every developed nation. Lack of the basic human rights of food and shelter take a heavy toll on human health.
We might consider a measure of free health care for the currently employed. But even then, there's no urgency because we have a surplus of job-ready replacement labor.
Either way, any great plans that simply disregard the existence of the masses of poor won't work, because they aren't rooted in reality.
Ho Ho Ho. And a Merry Shitmess to all. Yes, Dung-ho J. Grump had to go the delusional Valium Voters Vomitorium and brag about what a arrogant, greedy, sadistic, extremist asshole that he really is. And being the true caring Christians they are, they ate it up by the shovel full. They couldn't get enough of taking healthcare away from the poor. They couldn't get enough of raising the nuclear threat level with Iran. They couldn't get enough of imposing their biblical insanity on our government. They couldn't get enough about trashing the 1st Amendment. They couldn't get enough of bulldozing money to the rich via tax breaks, at the cost of everyone else. So, Ho Ho Ho, Merry Shitmess!!!
how many times do i have to say it? govt=business reps period. medicare is not the answer...you need people in govt who actually have empathy. i know that might sound like a fairy tale...but until that happens you ALL, except that 1%, will keep being bled to death...they've proved it for a looooooong time...at LEAST since reagan...i don't live there anymore. left behind a nursing license and jumped to another country at FIFTY, with no legitimate claim for work. i survived. but you all? i really feel sorry for you. seriously. i could've done a lot more lucrative work than nursing, trust me...i had a LOT of fields open to me...but i had the opp to work at co.(spelled 'poor people') hospitals. and i loved it...they got great care from me. top of my class. i'm saying this b/c i feel a need to establish credentials as 'not crazy'. but if you all want to keep ignoring what i'm saying, fine...seriously. i live in one of those 'devil/socialist type countries'. ; - ) it's a model human society, imo. it's changing as the System runs down...but, relatively speaking, it's paradise. hardly ANY homeless or hunger. keeps on getting in the top 10 lists of 'where things are best'...so there ARE other options. but you have to step up and show them that YOU, the people, ARE the bosses...that, supPOSEDly, it's for YOU, that place. 99% of you are being controlled by that other 1%...and that's even worse than winning by 3 millions somethings and losing. ; - ) you people actually went for that...that bullshit about the electoral college...led. a. round. by. the. nose. not that you really had a choice. him or HER? puhLEEZE! that's not a choice and that is NOT democracy...it's just who will jump through the corporate hoops faster...and in THAT way, it would be a CLOSE race...anyways...what happens there, unless it's a MAJOR economic crash, doesn't really affect me much. and this is my last post here. i'm disconnecting, i decided today, from as much of 'world news' as possible. i wake up? that's the news...i go outside, more news. AND weather. good luck folks...i've served y'all long enough...
Kend , you think the Left "used to own the news" , until Fox came along. Two things, first is that before the birth of Progressive radio around 2000, talk radio was monopolized exclusively by the Right. Second, you contradict your first point, by later adding that "none of these are news channels". Sure, Fox stages debates, but their craftfully slanted, usually outnumbered by aggresive Fox commentators. Fox supported the most radical (Trump), MSNBC did not (Clinton over Sanders), showing that the media center to the Right of the people.
Outside of the current situation in the White House, I think what may go down in history as one of the biggest political errors in our history, will be the failure of Democrats to include a public option in the ACA. The excuse that they were trying to get concensus is silly, because they got absolutely zero votes from any Republicans, not one...
It seems to me that the least disruptive approach would be to include that public option ASAP. If the free market is so innovative and more efficient than the government in administering and underwriting the expenses, let them prove it.
People that believe we couldn't possibly afford that expense don't seem to account for what we currently pay that doesn't even cover tens of millions of Americans at all, with untold millions who can't afford to cover their part of co-pay and or deductibles.
And there is absolutely no excuse for not requiring the pharmaceutical industry to negotiate drug pricing for Medicare, Medicaid, the public option, etc..
We should implement the Sanders proposal to include dental, vision and hearing aids. Feeding a middle man in such a huge portion of our economy, is simply a luxury we can't afford.
I believe people underestimate the improvement in our quality of life by removing the financial aspect out of the basic things required for life. It would likely improve actual health by the reduction in stress, which would help reduce costs. If we truly want to be the global leader, we have to start doing rational things, instead of all the endless bickering.
This whole thing also leads me to believe that the establishment Democrats are just a similar group as the Republican establishment, in that they are both funded by the wealthy and corporate America, with no incentive to actually help average Americans.
It doesn't make us a "communist" nation because we use a public system to handle the accounting and financing. It just makes us less stupid... ;^)
Is there any doubt that the Republican Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the billionaire class?
This gives you an idea how tax reform will go!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/13/vice-president-p...
A rhetorical question is really a subjective statement to ponder and doesn't require an objective answer. As long as Republicans control government, however, any public outcry in opposition to the extremist, fascistic agenda of the pro-corporate, anti-people party of greedy oligarchs will be fiercely contested with a barrage of lies, innuendo, and finger-pointing. Dissenting voices will not be tolerated.
Anything good that Republicans might say about their self-dealing con-jobs is nothing but tortured rhetoric; everything bad is the reality. In just one day, their mad king sabotaged the healthcare of millions, sabotaged the Iran nuclear treaty, sabotaged the clean-air act, and sabotaged the budget by insisting on the Mexican wall boondoggle. Add these moronic decisions to the long list of other destructive edicts issued in just eight months under King Don's executive unilateralism. Where is the good?
And where is the Republican-controlled congress? Bogged down with unworkable ideologies, they still have to pay for everything "guvmunt" by December 8, to increase the debt ceiling or have the U.S. default, to deal with an immigration program expiring soon ...yet, they can't even figure out how to save a healthcare program for children (For chrissake!), which they had let expire.
Rhetorical questions to ponder: "Isn't this ... why we need ... Medicare for All?" --Thom Hartmann. "Isn't it time we declared the Republican party a traitorous organization or at least organized crime?" --ScottFromOz. "Aren't low-information Trump voters really just ignorant fools?" --the rest of the world.
#10 - I love that one too!
Thom's being a bit romantic there I reckon
The literate, intelligent, concerned and pissed with facist, imperialist Britain having become founders of America must be turning in their graves
Dianereynolds: We already know that around 95% of political radio shows are extreme right-wing, so no sense in going there. However, turn off your Foxaganda and check out CBS, NBC, and ABC News along with their political talk shows....you would never know the Democratic party even exists. Sure they might talk about Crooked Donny being crooked, but never a word about what the progressive Dems want to do for, "We the People," things the vast majority already want such as single-payer, raise the cap, green energy, assault weapons control, tax the extremely rich, labor union support, bankster regulations, environmental regulations, you name it. .....basically Bernie and the progressive Dems want to legislate agianst the greed that is concentrating wealth and ripping this country apart. ...a well kept secret the Fascists will suppress at all expense.
Bachmann,, is that all you got? Really?
I love Thom's rhetorical questions. Mine is: Isn't it time we declared the Republican party a traitorous organisation or at least organised crime?
NOW is the time for Democrats to scream the danger at the NEWS!!
Open your political mouths damit!!
Aunt Clara with her door knobs. Maybe you two can be friends?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/c3/7b/6cc37bc8deee73cf595dc908737c7e5a.jpg
Where do the Dems in Congress fit in? I didn't check to see how they voted on this.
Bottom line: Congress knows there would be no logic in anything resembling universal health care, in a country that is 20-some years into its war on the poor. You can ignore this, but Congress cannot. The overall life expectancy of the US poor already fell below that of every developed nation. Lack of the basic human rights of food and shelter take a heavy toll on human health.
We might consider a measure of free health care for the currently employed. But even then, there's no urgency because we have a surplus of job-ready replacement labor.
Either way, any great plans that simply disregard the existence of the masses of poor won't work, because they aren't rooted in reality.
And now another 9 Million people that should agree that there should not be any republicans in office for the next 200 years.
And now another 9 Million people that should agree that there should not be any republicans in office for the next 200 years.
Ho Ho Ho. And a Merry Shitmess to all. Yes, Dung-ho J. Grump had to go the delusional Valium Voters Vomitorium and brag about what a arrogant, greedy, sadistic, extremist asshole that he really is. And being the true caring Christians they are, they ate it up by the shovel full. They couldn't get enough of taking healthcare away from the poor. They couldn't get enough of raising the nuclear threat level with Iran. They couldn't get enough of imposing their biblical insanity on our government. They couldn't get enough about trashing the 1st Amendment. They couldn't get enough of bulldozing money to the rich via tax breaks, at the cost of everyone else. So, Ho Ho Ho, Merry Shitmess!!!
Tis the season to be folly!!
It sure got quiet here when we showed up.
This doesn't even count Anthony Weiner....sure is a lot of scandels for a nothingburger.
Impossible to believe Hillary knows nothing....also her laughing about defending the rapist of a young girl.
I won't even go there with the Podesta thing.
At some point even the Libs have to admit it one coincidence too many.
It's really really sad.
Trumps campaign promises on Healthcare
I keep waiting for his base to see the light as they keep getting screwed. Tax reform is next.
HotCoffee,
Hillary should look comfortable hanging with a sex offender. He has lived with one for 42 years.
Hollywood Should Never Lecture America Again
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and producer Harvey Weinstein attend the TIME 100 Gala,
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/12/hollywood-should-never-lecture-america...
don't they look happy together?
I watched CNN for years until things like this started happening....
CNN Reporter Quits After Network Denies Him Time Off To Deal With Post-Traumatic Stress From Iraq War
http://www.businessinsider.com/cnns-guy-in-iraq-michael-ware-has-left-th...
That's back when they had reporters instead of Don the Lemon.
notice no news stations report on war any more.
Absolutely yes
That's what I was thinking.
how many times do i have to say it? govt=business reps period. medicare is not the answer...you need people in govt who actually have empathy. i know that might sound like a fairy tale...but until that happens you ALL, except that 1%, will keep being bled to death...they've proved it for a looooooong time...at LEAST since reagan...i don't live there anymore. left behind a nursing license and jumped to another country at FIFTY, with no legitimate claim for work. i survived. but you all? i really feel sorry for you. seriously. i could've done a lot more lucrative work than nursing, trust me...i had a LOT of fields open to me...but i had the opp to work at co.(spelled 'poor people') hospitals. and i loved it...they got great care from me. top of my class. i'm saying this b/c i feel a need to establish credentials as 'not crazy'. but if you all want to keep ignoring what i'm saying, fine...seriously. i live in one of those 'devil/socialist type countries'. ; - ) it's a model human society, imo. it's changing as the System runs down...but, relatively speaking, it's paradise. hardly ANY homeless or hunger. keeps on getting in the top 10 lists of 'where things are best'...so there ARE other options. but you have to step up and show them that YOU, the people, ARE the bosses...that, supPOSEDly, it's for YOU, that place. 99% of you are being controlled by that other 1%...and that's even worse than winning by 3 millions somethings and losing. ; - ) you people actually went for that...that bullshit about the electoral college...led. a. round. by. the. nose. not that you really had a choice. him or HER? puhLEEZE! that's not a choice and that is NOT democracy...it's just who will jump through the corporate hoops faster...and in THAT way, it would be a CLOSE race...anyways...what happens there, unless it's a MAJOR economic crash, doesn't really affect me much. and this is my last post here. i'm disconnecting, i decided today, from as much of 'world news' as possible. i wake up? that's the news...i go outside, more news. AND weather. good luck folks...i've served y'all long enough...
Apparently the malcontent leftie/socialists are flummoxed.
"Tell us what Networks are currently on cable or over the airwaves are pushing the conservative agenda?"
Hint: the only one has three letters in its name and ends with an X.
Please tell us all how everyone in America is forced to watch **X and nothing else.
Now, should we list the leftie leaners?
Kend , you think the Left "used to own the news" , until Fox came along. Two things, first is that before the birth of Progressive radio around 2000, talk radio was monopolized exclusively by the Right. Second, you contradict your first point, by later adding that "none of these are news channels". Sure, Fox stages debates, but their craftfully slanted, usually outnumbered by aggresive Fox commentators. Fox supported the most radical (Trump), MSNBC did not (Clinton over Sanders), showing that the media center to the Right of the people.