It's more complicated. What came to be called AFDC (the main welfare aid program) was actually first included in FDR's Social Security Act.The Great Society was built squarely on the foundation of the New Deal. This agenda played a critical role in taking the US to its height of wealth and productivity (no, not utopia, but...) from FDR to Reagan. In the 1980s, we decided to begin reversing course, doing just the opposite. The Clinton administration took an ax to the Great Society, and took the first steps to similarly "reform" Social Security (targeted the disabled).
Add in the "free trade" agenda (significant loss of family-supporting jobs) and our war agenda, years of massive corporate tax cuts/handouts, and look at the results. When Reagan was first elected, the overall quality of life in the US was rated at #1. By the time Obama was elected, the US had already fallen to #48.
Through all of this, those who are not on the right wing were successfully divided, pitted against each other by class and race.
For years, the liberal discussion has centered on solidarity with the middle class (quite recently revised to "working class"). Twenty-some years into our war on the poor, there has been virtually no liberal interest in our poverty crisis, apparently no cognizance of those who are far worse off than minimum wage workers. While countless poor families have been torn apart, and the overall life expectancy of the US poor has fallen below that of every developed nation, when was the last time you heard anyone call for restoring basic poverty relief?
Sen Sanders used to speak out powerfully about US poverty and the need for legitimate poverty relief. To my knowledge, he dropped the issue with his campaign.
It appears that today's liberals are true believers in the success of our deregulated corporate state, believing that everyone can work and there are jobs for all (therefore no need for poverty relief). That's actually a right wing ideology -- regressive, not progressive.
It angers me when the news calls people like Bernie Sanders and Al Franken radicals - these people to me are the real "patriots" of our country. They speak the truth of what is going on in Washington about the lies, taking away our social programs that protect the poor and middle class. The Trump administration taking away money and strength from the EPA and their widening the fossil fuel hunt in a time when the planet is in crisis with global warming. I am a liberal and am proud of this fact and have learned over the many years I have lived in this country that we are the people who truly care about our Constitution and the Bill of Rights and we want a President who works for the people not corporations like Trump. He is indecent and a pitiful human being and should never have been given this Presidency !
The challenge for those who are troubled by existing socio-political arrangements and institutions is to look deeply into what constitutes just law. The fundamental right of human beings has for most of the history of large societies been institutionally denied. This is our equal birthright to nature.
When people began to settle in one place they needed to agree on rules that governed access to what nature provided. Initially, tribal groups established these rules based on common needs. Over time, however, all societies succumbed to hierarchy, with those who produced the goods needed by all pushed to the bottom, living under the rule of a privileged elite (usually in league with those who proclaimed an ability to communicate with the gods). Privileged elites have continued to exist under state-socialism, under all the strains of social democracy or democratic-socialism, and under the liberalism that characterized "the American System" from the New Deal era until the upsurge of Reagan's New Federalism.
To get the dominos falling in the direction toward real justice, what is needed is a fundamental change in our systems of property law and taxation. Ideally, no one should be permitted to claim owneship of nature. Unfortunately, since the signing of Magna Carta land that was once the commons began to be bought and sold rather than allocated subject to the payment of rents, rents collected to pay for public goods and services. Today, when land is needed for public purposes, governments must tax citizens to pay the "owners" in order to acquire land that was once in the public domain before being given away to political favorites or speculators.
The best solution to landed privilege turns out to be taxation. The imposition of an annual tax on land that comes close to the potential annual rental value of land held would not only raise need revenue for infrastructure and public services but remove from an economy the destructive influence of land speculation. Owners of land would have a real financial incentive to bring the land they hold to its highest, best use (as permitted by the community) or sell to someone who would. At the same time, taxes on private property (e.g., houses and other property improvements) should be greatly reduced or eliminated. A long list of thoughtful analysts have embraced these proposals going back even to Adam Smith and Thomas Paine (in "Agrarian Justice"). The American Henry George built a global political movement in competition with laissez-faire captialism and socialism at the end of the 19th century. Had he succeeded we would be having a very different discussion about the state of the planet and humanity.
the key to progressivism was lost nearly four decades ago when ronald reagan took office. and it is forty years of republican tax cuts that have created wealth inequality, economic instability and the steady undermining of america's working classes. the democrats need to educate the public and they need to restore the pre reagan tax code. frankly, this is a thankless task and i don't believe the dems have it in them. america needs revolution and a new progressive party that carries the nation's interest to heart.
The rich are the real progressives of modern times. They have certainly moved forward quite a bit. Real conservatism would start with them tempering their insane wants and settling for a little less, same as they expect us to. The past rocked!
Bernie is what I call a center populist. He's by far the most popular politician in the nation right now. His platform isn't extreme at all. He simply represents the will of the vast majority.....how is that extreme?????
The billionaires demonize anybody and everything that might cut into their out of control thirst for endless wealth and power.
We need to embrace the words Liberal and Socialism..... and demonize the words Conservative and Capitalism.
"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." Mark Twain
pro·gres·sive (prə-grĕs′ĭv) adj. 1. Moving forward; advancing. 2. Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change. 3. Open to or favoring new ideas, policies, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive business leadership. 4. Progressive Of or relating to a Progressive Party: the Progressive platform of 1924. 5. Of or relating to progressive education: a progressive school. 6. Increasing in rate as the taxable amount increases: a progressive income tax. 7. Tending to become more severe or wider in scope: progressive paralysis. 8. Grammar Designating a verb form that expresses an action or condition in progress. 9. Music Of or being a style that emphasizes virtuoso technique, rhythmic and melodic complexity, and unconventional forms and instrumentation: progressive rock; progressive jazz. n. 1. A person who is open to or favors new ideas, policies, or methods, especially in politics. 2. Progressive A member or supporter of a Progressive Party. 3. Grammar A progressive verb form.
Above is the definition of Progressive, from the American Heritage Dictionary. Notice the definition talks about advancing, moving forward, favoring new ideas. Theodore Roosevelt was a progressive, so was his cousin Franklin. Both of these gentleman looked at issues (problems) and applied forward thinking solutions, in an attempt to solve them. Those who look back to the past for ideas to solve modern issues, are not progressives, they are washed up lefties.
Modern problems can not be solved with ideas that were progressive in the 1930’s. So what’s it going to be washed up lefties looking to the past for solutions, or true progressives who look forward and use modern problem solving and solutions to solve problems. The whole idea is to solve problems, not create them.
Taiwan has a Progressive President Tsai Ing-wen. South Korea just elected a Progressive President Moon Jae-in. Canada Has Trudeau. Austrailia has Malcolm Turnbull. We have Trump???
As someone who grew up while FDR was president, and from what I've read about that era, I see Bernie Sanders et al as proponents of the FDR agenda brought up-to-date.
Why is it that we keep getting Republicans elected and then they are a total disaster. Do we have to keep repeating this? Bush/Cheney ignored the fact that Osama Bin Laden wanted to attack us and allowed 9/11 to happen. Led us into a hunt for Bin Laden in Afghanistan, missed him, then changed the mission to bringing democracy to the middle east and we are still there. Cut taxes for the wealthy. Then led us into Iraq with a lie. 4500 soldiers killed, 20000 wounded, Trillions of dollars spent, 1 million Iraqis killed and displaced, No bid contracts for Cheney's Company Haliburton. Put the economy in the tank. Then the USA elects another Republican and 120 days later (all 120 days, every single one) we are a total embarrassment again. Same could be said for Nixon and Reagan. Why would you ever vote Republican? Especially when the Republican Party only supports the 1%.
OutBack is right. The entire Trump candidacy and presidency is a scam. He is supposed to be in office for about 6months than resign because of some phony pretext than the Right wing koch fascists have what they have wanted all along a rightwing monster named Mike Pence. It is imperative that trump not leave office . We have him hung around the Republicans neck and we want him to stay right there. This plot was hatched and agreed to around March of 2015 . I was told by someone who was in the room and heard it. I was going to expose it after he got the nomination but I don't know how to operate on social media. I need for someone to take this information and make sure everyone knows about it. It is a fact .MAKE IT GO VIRAL.
UFO=Unfit For Office. What is next? Why Unfit? "Google" Trump neurosyphillis. or Trump Alzeimers..see endless comments from medical and nerospecialists.not just psycho;ogists..the word salad, the megalomania, flapping his mini-hands like a fish out of water..etc. Trump bragged about his STDs as his personal Viet Nam..He justified avoiding military obligations due to a foot deformity. He never has released data from medical records. He paraded a so-called MD who touted him as the most perfect human speciman that he ever has seen ..UFO= Unfit For office..He and his appointees need to get some 3 "Rs" not reading and riting and rithmatic" but removal,replacement and restricted movement. This is a UFO alert! from JTJ.
Diane: "Whatever happened, the fake engineered drama of the day must only apply to the individual the leftie/socialists did not vote for.
'Obama Ordered The U.S. Intelligence Community To Share Intel With Cuba'"
First. "The Federalist" is absolutely not a credible source by any standard of objective journalism. It is one of the most slanted, right-wing "think" tanks, funded almost exclusively by a heavily partisan network of millionaires and billionaires, who are pushing an extreme agenda far out of the mainstream and in violation of basic democratic principles. In other words, it isthe digestive juices in the belly of the oligarchical beast. If you're citing material like theirs, it's no wonder most of your posts are so factually incorrect.
Second. A case in point: The deflecting, one-sided, false-news "story" you linked to leaves out the critical information that detracts from its transparent slant, which can be easily debunked by any rudimentary search, such as:
(note: Of course CBS is mainstream corporate media, but pay particular attention to Kathryn Watson's sources for this article, which will lead you to further credible research.)
Third. I see you've glommed onto another cute little phrase, of which you seem very proud, having repeated it several times in your recent posts: "fake engineered drama." Nice! Very clever, and so new and shiny too! Now, don't wear it out too fast by repeating it over and over in every single post ad nauseam, like "leftie/socialists." (Remember, Medicare pays for therapy to help you cope with senility -- that is, until Paul Ryan cuts it.)
Now the trumpeters are wanting to know why the media did not report on Obama'a ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. No facts or proof. Like his Attorney General, National Security Advisor, Son in Law, Or any other aid actually met with them under convert actions. Like Trump is being mistreated by the 1% owned and operated mainstream media.
DO NOT IMPEACH TRUMP! (nor do I want any other calamity to befall him). It will only make him a Martyr to his supporters, and hardened them against any reasonable pleas. Think how black voters would have responded if anything had happened to Pres. Obama.
stecoop01 • 13 hours 50 min ago #3 As bad as Trump IS, Pence would be even worse. Why? Because Pence knows what he's doing, and is far better at the game of politics than Trump could ever dream of being. So, impeach Trump, shoot Pence.
stecoop01 • 13 hours 15 min ago #8
Is it too late to nuke Washington? How about a little plague that only attacks politicians? I see no hope...bring on the Earth shattering asteroid.
Stupidity, party of one, your cell is ready.
You are probably lucky this blog is read by a small handful of followers.
Aaarrrghh! 'Cept it shoulda been "steer onto the shoals," not the "doldrums." A bit too much Laphroaig Triple Wood scotch wit me mates playing poker. Slainte!
Ou812
Define everything as you see it in extreme verbosity
An american trait... you might be a lawyer because that's what they do in order to minimise a view point into meaningless
Do you feel like a human?
What's your point?
I fail to understand why we need to change what works!?!?!
It's more complicated. What came to be called AFDC (the main welfare aid program) was actually first included in FDR's Social Security Act.The Great Society was built squarely on the foundation of the New Deal. This agenda played a critical role in taking the US to its height of wealth and productivity (no, not utopia, but...) from FDR to Reagan. In the 1980s, we decided to begin reversing course, doing just the opposite. The Clinton administration took an ax to the Great Society, and took the first steps to similarly "reform" Social Security (targeted the disabled).
Add in the "free trade" agenda (significant loss of family-supporting jobs) and our war agenda, years of massive corporate tax cuts/handouts, and look at the results. When Reagan was first elected, the overall quality of life in the US was rated at #1. By the time Obama was elected, the US had already fallen to #48.
Through all of this, those who are not on the right wing were successfully divided, pitted against each other by class and race.
For years, the liberal discussion has centered on solidarity with the middle class (quite recently revised to "working class"). Twenty-some years into our war on the poor, there has been virtually no liberal interest in our poverty crisis, apparently no cognizance of those who are far worse off than minimum wage workers. While countless poor families have been torn apart, and the overall life expectancy of the US poor has fallen below that of every developed nation, when was the last time you heard anyone call for restoring basic poverty relief?
Sen Sanders used to speak out powerfully about US poverty and the need for legitimate poverty relief. To my knowledge, he dropped the issue with his campaign.
It appears that today's liberals are true believers in the success of our deregulated corporate state, believing that everyone can work and there are jobs for all (therefore no need for poverty relief). That's actually a right wing ideology -- regressive, not progressive.
You took the words out of my mouth ! Thank you !
It angers me when the news calls people like Bernie Sanders and Al Franken radicals - these people to me are the real "patriots" of our country. They speak the truth of what is going on in Washington about the lies, taking away our social programs that protect the poor and middle class. The Trump administration taking away money and strength from the EPA and their widening the fossil fuel hunt in a time when the planet is in crisis with global warming. I am a liberal and am proud of this fact and have learned over the many years I have lived in this country that we are the people who truly care about our Constitution and the Bill of Rights and we want a President who works for the people not corporations like Trump. He is indecent and a pitiful human being and should never have been given this Presidency !
The challenge for those who are troubled by existing socio-political arrangements and institutions is to look deeply into what constitutes just law. The fundamental right of human beings has for most of the history of large societies been institutionally denied. This is our equal birthright to nature.
When people began to settle in one place they needed to agree on rules that governed access to what nature provided. Initially, tribal groups established these rules based on common needs. Over time, however, all societies succumbed to hierarchy, with those who produced the goods needed by all pushed to the bottom, living under the rule of a privileged elite (usually in league with those who proclaimed an ability to communicate with the gods). Privileged elites have continued to exist under state-socialism, under all the strains of social democracy or democratic-socialism, and under the liberalism that characterized "the American System" from the New Deal era until the upsurge of Reagan's New Federalism.
To get the dominos falling in the direction toward real justice, what is needed is a fundamental change in our systems of property law and taxation. Ideally, no one should be permitted to claim owneship of nature. Unfortunately, since the signing of Magna Carta land that was once the commons began to be bought and sold rather than allocated subject to the payment of rents, rents collected to pay for public goods and services. Today, when land is needed for public purposes, governments must tax citizens to pay the "owners" in order to acquire land that was once in the public domain before being given away to political favorites or speculators.
The best solution to landed privilege turns out to be taxation. The imposition of an annual tax on land that comes close to the potential annual rental value of land held would not only raise need revenue for infrastructure and public services but remove from an economy the destructive influence of land speculation. Owners of land would have a real financial incentive to bring the land they hold to its highest, best use (as permitted by the community) or sell to someone who would. At the same time, taxes on private property (e.g., houses and other property improvements) should be greatly reduced or eliminated. A long list of thoughtful analysts have embraced these proposals going back even to Adam Smith and Thomas Paine (in "Agrarian Justice"). The American Henry George built a global political movement in competition with laissez-faire captialism and socialism at the end of the 19th century. Had he succeeded we would be having a very different discussion about the state of the planet and humanity.
Edward J. Dodson, M.L.A.
Director
School of Cooperative Individualism.
www.cooperative-individualism.org
the key to progressivism was lost nearly four decades ago when ronald reagan took office. and it is forty years of republican tax cuts that have created wealth inequality, economic instability and the steady undermining of america's working classes. the democrats need to educate the public and they need to restore the pre reagan tax code. frankly, this is a thankless task and i don't believe the dems have it in them. america needs revolution and a new progressive party that carries the nation's interest to heart.
The rich are the real progressives of modern times. They have certainly moved forward quite a bit. Real conservatism would start with them tempering their insane wants and settling for a little less, same as they expect us to. The past rocked!
Bernie is what I call a center populist. He's by far the most popular politician in the nation right now. His platform isn't extreme at all. He simply represents the will of the vast majority.....how is that extreme?????
The billionaires demonize anybody and everything that might cut into their out of control thirst for endless wealth and power.
We need to embrace the words Liberal and Socialism..... and demonize the words Conservative and Capitalism.
"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." Mark Twain
pro·gres·sive
(prə-grĕs′ĭv)
adj.
1. Moving forward; advancing.
2. Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.
3. Open to or favoring new ideas, policies, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive business leadership.
4. Progressive Of or relating to a Progressive Party: the Progressive platform of 1924.
5. Of or relating to progressive education: a progressive school.
6. Increasing in rate as the taxable amount increases: a progressive income tax.
7. Tending to become more severe or wider in scope: progressive paralysis.
8. Grammar Designating a verb form that expresses an action or condition in progress.
9. Music Of or being a style that emphasizes virtuoso technique, rhythmic and melodic complexity, and unconventional forms and instrumentation: progressive rock; progressive jazz.
n.
1. A person who is open to or favors new ideas, policies, or methods, especially in politics.
2. Progressive A member or supporter of a Progressive Party.
3. Grammar A progressive verb form.
pro·gres′sive·ly adv.
pro·gres′sive·ness n.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
Above is the definition of Progressive, from the American Heritage Dictionary. Notice the definition talks about advancing, moving forward, favoring new ideas. Theodore Roosevelt was a progressive, so was his cousin Franklin. Both of these gentleman looked at issues (problems) and applied forward thinking solutions, in an attempt to solve them. Those who look back to the past for ideas to solve modern issues, are not progressives, they are washed up lefties.
Modern problems can not be solved with ideas that were progressive in the 1930’s. So what’s it going to be washed up lefties looking to the past for solutions, or true progressives who look forward and use modern problem solving and solutions to solve problems. The whole idea is to solve problems, not create them.
Taiwan has a Progressive President Tsai Ing-wen. South Korea just elected a Progressive President Moon Jae-in. Canada Has Trudeau. Austrailia has Malcolm Turnbull. We have Trump???
As someone who grew up while FDR was president, and from what I've read about that era, I see Bernie Sanders et al as proponents of the FDR agenda brought up-to-date.
Why is it that we keep getting Republicans elected and then they are a total disaster. Do we have to keep repeating this? Bush/Cheney ignored the fact that Osama Bin Laden wanted to attack us and allowed 9/11 to happen. Led us into a hunt for Bin Laden in Afghanistan, missed him, then changed the mission to bringing democracy to the middle east and we are still there. Cut taxes for the wealthy. Then led us into Iraq with a lie. 4500 soldiers killed, 20000 wounded, Trillions of dollars spent, 1 million Iraqis killed and displaced, No bid contracts for Cheney's Company Haliburton. Put the economy in the tank. Then the USA elects another Republican and 120 days later (all 120 days, every single one) we are a total embarrassment again. Same could be said for Nixon and Reagan. Why would you ever vote Republican? Especially when the Republican Party only supports the 1%.
OutBack is right. The entire Trump candidacy and presidency is a scam. He is supposed to be in office for about 6months than resign because of some phony pretext than the Right wing koch fascists have what they have wanted all along a rightwing monster named Mike Pence. It is imperative that trump not leave office . We have him hung around the Republicans neck and we want him to stay right there. This plot was hatched and agreed to around March of 2015 . I was told by someone who was in the room and heard it. I was going to expose it after he got the nomination but I don't know how to operate on social media. I need for someone to take this information and make sure everyone knows about it. It is a fact .MAKE IT GO VIRAL.
#28 is this sent and received?
UFO=Unfit For Office. What is next? Why Unfit? "Google" Trump neurosyphillis. or Trump Alzeimers..see endless comments from medical and nerospecialists.not just psycho;ogists..the word salad, the megalomania, flapping his mini-hands like a fish out of water..etc. Trump bragged about his STDs as his personal Viet Nam..He justified avoiding military obligations due to a foot deformity. He never has released data from medical records. He paraded a so-called MD who touted him as the most perfect human speciman that he ever has seen ..UFO= Unfit For office..He and his appointees need to get some 3 "Rs" not reading and riting and rithmatic" but removal,replacement and restricted movement. This is a UFO alert! from JTJ.
Diane: "Whatever happened, the fake engineered drama of the day must only apply to the individual the leftie/socialists did not vote for.
'Obama Ordered The U.S. Intelligence Community To Share Intel With Cuba'"
First. "The Federalist" is absolutely not a credible source by any standard of objective journalism. It is one of the most slanted, right-wing "think" tanks, funded almost exclusively by a heavily partisan network of millionaires and billionaires, who are pushing an extreme agenda far out of the mainstream and in violation of basic democratic principles. In other words, it is the digestive juices in the belly of the oligarchical beast. If you're citing material like theirs, it's no wonder most of your posts are so factually incorrect.
Second. A case in point: The deflecting, one-sided, false-news "story" you linked to leaves out the critical information that detracts from its transparent slant, which can be easily debunked by any rudimentary search, such as:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-classified-intelligence-disclosure-ad-hoc-other-presidents-history/
(note: Of course CBS is mainstream corporate media, but pay particular attention to Kathryn Watson's sources for this article, which will lead you to further credible research.)
Third. I see you've glommed onto another cute little phrase, of which you seem very proud, having repeated it several times in your recent posts: "fake engineered drama." Nice! Very clever, and so new and shiny too! Now, don't wear it out too fast by repeating it over and over in every single post ad nauseam, like "leftie/socialists." (Remember, Medicare pays for therapy to help you cope with senility -- that is, until Paul Ryan cuts it.)
Now the trumpeters are wanting to know why the media did not report on Obama'a ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. No facts or proof. Like his Attorney General, National Security Advisor, Son in Law, Or any other aid actually met with them under convert actions. Like Trump is being mistreated by the 1% owned and operated mainstream media.
DO NOT IMPEACH TRUMP! (nor do I want any other calamity to befall him). It will only make him a Martyr to his supporters, and hardened them against any reasonable pleas. Think how black voters would have responded if anything had happened to Pres. Obama.
Whatever happened, the fake engineered drama of the day must only apply to the individual the leftie/socialists did not vote for.
"Obama Ordered The U.S. Intelligence Community To Share Intel With Cuba"
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/16/obama-ordered-u-s-intelligence-commu...
stecoop01 • 13 hours 50 min ago
#3
As bad as Trump IS, Pence would be even worse. Why? Because Pence knows what he's doing, and is far better at the game of politics than Trump could ever dream of being.
So, impeach Trump, shoot Pence.
stecoop01 • 13 hours 15 min ago
#8
Is it too late to nuke Washington? How about a little plague that only attacks politicians?
I see no hope...bring on the Earth shattering asteroid.
Stupidity, party of one, your cell is ready.
You are probably lucky this blog is read by a small handful of followers.
Deepspace,
sláinte agad-sa
(and I have to confess I needed a bit of help via Wikipedia ;-)
cheers, my friend, and sleep well.
Outback,
Aaarrrghh! 'Cept it shoulda been "steer onto the shoals," not the "doldrums." A bit too much Laphroaig Triple Wood scotch wit me mates playing poker. Slainte!
Why would they prefer Pence? Why would it matter to them, as long as whomever is president doesn't interfere with the fascist wing's agenda?