Lets have a political IQ test to vote ! Likely most will fail. I read such nonsense on online sites- yahoo & others SO many 1/2 trruths , strange versions thereof, incomplete ' facts' They spread like wildfire No wonder millions of us are so ill informed. I do not watch cable news much anymore. I do watch PBS newshour - serious news NO ranting or smearing. Just facts
As a voter that voted for Ronny the Great GOP leader. I am here to say that I have left the GOP several years back for the numerous dangerous to America policies. Most do not want to admit that the GOP members are pushing and all out WAR against America. They are practicing a scorched earth form of politics that is designed to destroy. They will continue this as long as they are allowed to by the American people and our military. WHich by the way the Military takes an oathe to serve and protect the Untied States Constitution against both Foriegn and DOMESTIC TERRORIST! One can easily argue that the GOP as a whole meet the qualifications to be declared Domestic Terrorist. As such they need to be treated accordingly or they will destroy this country.
Quote SHFabian:When we require this of some who have the greatest barriers to employment, it would be an insult to expect less of working class Americans. Right?
SHFabian ~ Wrong! You are talking apples and oranges. That was 1996, this is 2014. As far as the job market and unemployment is concerned between then and now you might as well be talking about two different planets. Stop trying to oversimplify the situation to justify greed and ignorance. In 1996 indeed there was "NO excuse" for long-term unemployment. Today there is NO possibility for long-term employment; unless, you consider working two to three minimum wage jobs as the just and moral equivalent of working one living wage job.
chuckle8 ~ A very good question. Of course if one assumes that extraterrestrials are somehow involved with government then I suppose every law passed has something to do with extraterrestrials. Otherwise, you are most correct--quite a distraction.
Well, yes, the middle class has felt this way about the poor for years. We have a stunningly rigid class system in the US today. The rich think of the working class the way the working class thinks of those who have been pushed out.
Bill Clinton declared that "there is NO excuse" for long-term unemployment, and America applauded. We agreed that any aid provided must be strictly time-limited to "serve as an incentive to get up every morning and get a job." When we require this of some who have the greatest barriers to employment, it would be an insult to expect less of working class Americans. Right?
Do you guys have any laws we could pass to deal with extraterrestials? I love the distraction as long as it keeps distracting. Having so many problems with terrestials it is subtracting from its power of distraction.
It is important to keep in mind that corporations don't pay fines (or taxes for that matter), their customers pay for everything. Rather than extracting monetary fines a corporate death penalty should be implemented as punishment for wrongdoing. Costs of cleanup of these messes should be borne by the taxpayer. Maybe then we will get off our duffs and stop these irresponsible executives from using methods and practices that are known to be dangerous to our environment. I'll bet a policy of stiff jail sentencing of executives for wrongdoing will get the message across.
Here in southern Arizona we are opposing a proposed open pit copper mine that will eat away the middle of a sub-range of mountains near my home. When I say we, I mean the Pima County Council and the concerned citizens of the communities around here. The mountains are called The Santa Ritas and include some of the most scenic areas of our beautiful state. The EPA is recommending that the Army Corps of Engineers reject the Rosemont Mine (a Canadian company) application for a water permit. Their waste would impact a fragile watershed called Cienega Creek. Water is at a premium here in the desert, as you can imagine, and we have a lot of experience with open pit mines. Enough to know that what is being proposed is untenable and will impact our environment greatly.
The EPA also has veto power over the Army Corps of Engineers and our hopes are that this thing will die in committee, so to speak. But the forces of greed are pervasive and the pollution and degradation that will ensue could indeed go forward, turning a natural treasure into an ugly eyesore and stuff the pockets of evil bad people who will walk away from responsibility and laugh at us all on their way to the bank.
(Sorry for making light of such a serious situation. However, like Thom said, the Republican demands would be laughable if they weren't so serious. Perhaps what the Democrats need to do is to laugh in the Republicans face.)
Palindromedary ~ I respect your opinion on UFO's. Frankly, I'm not saying that I don't believe the testimonials you offered. The one by Mr. Corsy in particular was most provocative. All I'm saying is that in my lifetime I have actually seen evidence that some kind of God exists... That is probably the closest I have ever come to experiencing any kind of extraterrestrial intelligence. Yet you don't see me running into the nearest Church on my knees. If God exists I question how much Churches have to do with him. Even that evidence is personal experience and nothing more than hearsay. The same is true of UFO's. I personally have never experienced a UFO. I have never seen any evidence that a UFO's exists, let alone alien visitors. The blind faith that is required to FULLY BELIEVE in something that you can't see is at best a religion, at worst a cult. For every old man with a story about seeing a mysterious spaceship that disappeared along with all the artifacts and photographs there is another old man with a story about how winged angels appeared before him next to a Pearly Gate in a Chariot of Fire dancing the Macarena.
That said, I do however believe that there is sufficient cause to take this matter very seriously and investigate further. The credibility of these witnesses alone warrant that. I have a very open mind and am in no way prejudice against the idea the existence of UFO's and extraterrestrials are a very real possibility. I'm also open to the suggestion that man himself may very well be an extraterrestrial. After all, we have done such a poor job of adapting to our earthly environment it would make sense to discover that the earth isn't our natural environment to begin with. My advice is to treat the subject with a healthy curiosity--the same way you would treat any other unknown. ie Hold tight your worldly possessions.
Thanks again for those links. I'll keep checking back whenever I have time till I get to all of them. I have to admit that many of the ones I've seen so far--with the few exceptions I've already mentioned--sounded quite on the level. It is quite frustrating that over all these years the government could be intentionally covering up the greatest scientific discovery of our time. If indeed there was a 50 year ban on divulging this information perhaps that is a sign that full disclosure is not too far away. Let us hope that is a correct assessment. Please feel free to continue sharing anything else you might run across that is that provocative.
Since we are on the subject of extraterrestrial life and concrete evidence, have you seen these documentaries? If not, you might find this quite eye popping...
I heard that Issa is trying to subpoena a guy named G. Washington for his coming hearings about the Christie situation. Maybe he'll get the study protocol and data that were collected as well?
Palindrome -- Do you think any of these people (raygun, thatcher etc.) have ever taken a econ course? Of course, they may understand econ and hope the people they are talking too have never had an econ course. Money is only a measure of wealth, not wealth itself. The only way you run out of wealth is if the people are not working. You can run out of money if one tries to impose a gold standard - a favorite right-wing talking point. Greg Palast points out one of the key motivations of American Revolution, the one in 1776, was the British empire was trying to impose a gold standard on the colonies thus restricting their growth.
Quote Palindromedary:And here is a 4 part story on how one young guy, Heim Bodek, is bringing down the HST behemoths:
"The Dark (Pool) Truth About What Really Goes On In The Stock Market"
Palindromedary ~ Thanks for that link. I read the story and noticed they mentioned Schwab had been hoodwinked in the same scam. That is a notion that is too hard for me to believe. Schwab is a old and proven company that is way ahead of the game; and, the idea that some anonymous rep from a lesser firm knows some profitable little detail they don't is laughable. Sounds like an elaborate con to me. Like the first comment suggested,
Quote swnmguy:I don't know enough to be able to tell if this is bullshit or not, but it sounds about right to me.
However, it doesn't sound right to me--it sounds like pure bullsh!t. Don't be hoodwinked.
"Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt" by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco does an EXCELLENT job of outlining WV's long history of being dominated by special interests. Such a catastrophe as W Virginians are experiencing now is a natural progression of Governments allowing themselves to be purchased by Special Interests.
EPA is our most important law enforcement agency. It defends the future. Stop the republicans from tearing it down. Corporations that pollute are doing more then robbing a bank. They are stealing the future. We must enact a 3 strikes and your out law. If a corp is guilty of gross pollution more then 3 times they are out of our economy for good. We must declare that access to clean water is an inalienable human right. Begin a new water management plan that works on a regional basis. Buy out the private owned water rights and merge with surrounding municipalities. End the rush of the petrol-chemical corps from buying up our aquifers to use for fracking. If they can own the water we can't litigate for damages.
They want us to think Americans deserve pain. The economic elites don't, of course, they deserve to be pampered - and we deserve to work hard for their pampering.
Anyone with half a brain knows that these corporations operate with impugnity. Until we get a corrupt free Congress they will never be held to any set of safety standards and if they are they will just ignore them anyway. Just look at BP,does anyone think the Gulf states are free from that oil spill? They paid people to shut them up. What we need are uprisings like we saw in the 60's against the Viet-Nam war where hundreds of thousands of people protested on a daily basis. We now live in a state of Corporate America with a bought and paid for Congress with no oversight,all compliments of the so-called great Ronald Reagan,worse President than Bush2 and that's bad.
Corporations should pay for their own mistakes--AMEN to that!!
If corporations are "people," they should be subject to the same laws and punishments as REAL humans.
The K-RATS on the Supreme Court are obvious intelletual light-weights (an intellectual conservative is an oxymoron--high-level intellect requires flexibility and looking at the big picture and willingness to accept or consider new/opposite ideas/viewpoints), I guess the K-RATS didn't see this coming.
Are corporations going to be allowed immunity as they have enjoyed in the past as the non-human non-liable artifical enitites they really are? But I'm sure the big guns will buy their way out of any conundrum/diseaster they create through their criminal negligence and the REAL humans will pay the price.
Lets have a political IQ test to vote ! Likely most will fail. I read such nonsense on online sites- yahoo & others SO many 1/2 trruths , strange versions thereof, incomplete ' facts' They spread like wildfire No wonder millions of us are so ill informed. I do not watch cable news much anymore. I do watch PBS newshour - serious news NO ranting or smearing. Just facts
As a voter that voted for Ronny the Great GOP leader. I am here to say that I have left the GOP several years back for the numerous dangerous to America policies. Most do not want to admit that the GOP members are pushing and all out WAR against America. They are practicing a scorched earth form of politics that is designed to destroy. They will continue this as long as they are allowed to by the American people and our military. WHich by the way the Military takes an oathe to serve and protect the Untied States Constitution against both Foriegn and DOMESTIC TERRORIST! One can easily argue that the GOP as a whole meet the qualifications to be declared Domestic Terrorist. As such they need to be treated accordingly or they will destroy this country.
Thom, it's long past time for you to start calling them what they are: Repugnicans.
SHFabian ~ Wrong! You are talking apples and oranges. That was 1996, this is 2014. As far as the job market and unemployment is concerned between then and now you might as well be talking about two different planets. Stop trying to oversimplify the situation to justify greed and ignorance. In 1996 indeed there was "NO excuse" for long-term unemployment. Today there is NO possibility for long-term employment; unless, you consider working two to three minimum wage jobs as the just and moral equivalent of working one living wage job.
chuckle8 ~ A very good question. Of course if one assumes that extraterrestrials are somehow involved with government then I suppose every law passed has something to do with extraterrestrials. Otherwise, you are most correct--quite a distraction.
Well, yes, the middle class has felt this way about the poor for years. We have a stunningly rigid class system in the US today. The rich think of the working class the way the working class thinks of those who have been pushed out.
Bill Clinton declared that "there is NO excuse" for long-term unemployment, and America applauded. We agreed that any aid provided must be strictly time-limited to "serve as an incentive to get up every morning and get a job." When we require this of some who have the greatest barriers to employment, it would be an insult to expect less of working class Americans. Right?
I wonder who can buy the best lawyers?
Do you guys have any laws we could pass to deal with extraterrestials? I love the distraction as long as it keeps distracting. Having so many problems with terrestials it is subtracting from its power of distraction.
Maybe millions of Americans should do real damage to these damn republicans.
It is important to keep in mind that corporations don't pay fines (or taxes for that matter), their customers pay for everything. Rather than extracting monetary fines a corporate death penalty should be implemented as punishment for wrongdoing. Costs of cleanup of these messes should be borne by the taxpayer. Maybe then we will get off our duffs and stop these irresponsible executives from using methods and practices that are known to be dangerous to our environment. I'll bet a policy of stiff jail sentencing of executives for wrongdoing will get the message across.
Here in southern Arizona we are opposing a proposed open pit copper mine that will eat away the middle of a sub-range of mountains near my home. When I say we, I mean the Pima County Council and the concerned citizens of the communities around here. The mountains are called The Santa Ritas and include some of the most scenic areas of our beautiful state. The EPA is recommending that the Army Corps of Engineers reject the Rosemont Mine (a Canadian company) application for a water permit. Their waste would impact a fragile watershed called Cienega Creek. Water is at a premium here in the desert, as you can imagine, and we have a lot of experience with open pit mines. Enough to know that what is being proposed is untenable and will impact our environment greatly.
The EPA also has veto power over the Army Corps of Engineers and our hopes are that this thing will die in committee, so to speak. But the forces of greed are pervasive and the pollution and degradation that will ensue could indeed go forward, turning a natural treasure into an ugly eyesore and stuff the pockets of evil bad people who will walk away from responsibility and laugh at us all on their way to the bank.
http://www.rosemontminetruth.com/
It's just another Reich Wing trick to blame more hardship on President Obama. But, why stop there?
Reich Wing talking points 101 -- "Thanks Obama!"
(warning - language advisory)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkQxHlr2fXM
(Sorry for making light of such a serious situation. However, like Thom said, the Republican demands would be laughable if they weren't so serious. Perhaps what the Democrats need to do is to laugh in the Republicans face.)
Palindromedary ~ I respect your opinion on UFO's. Frankly, I'm not saying that I don't believe the testimonials you offered. The one by Mr. Corsy in particular was most provocative. All I'm saying is that in my lifetime I have actually seen evidence that some kind of God exists... That is probably the closest I have ever come to experiencing any kind of extraterrestrial intelligence. Yet you don't see me running into the nearest Church on my knees. If God exists I question how much Churches have to do with him. Even that evidence is personal experience and nothing more than hearsay. The same is true of UFO's. I personally have never experienced a UFO. I have never seen any evidence that a UFO's exists, let alone alien visitors. The blind faith that is required to FULLY BELIEVE in something that you can't see is at best a religion, at worst a cult. For every old man with a story about seeing a mysterious spaceship that disappeared along with all the artifacts and photographs there is another old man with a story about how winged angels appeared before him next to a Pearly Gate in a Chariot of Fire dancing the Macarena.
That said, I do however believe that there is sufficient cause to take this matter very seriously and investigate further. The credibility of these witnesses alone warrant that. I have a very open mind and am in no way prejudice against the idea the existence of UFO's and extraterrestrials are a very real possibility. I'm also open to the suggestion that man himself may very well be an extraterrestrial. After all, we have done such a poor job of adapting to our earthly environment it would make sense to discover that the earth isn't our natural environment to begin with. My advice is to treat the subject with a healthy curiosity--the same way you would treat any other unknown. ie Hold tight your worldly possessions.
Thanks again for those links. I'll keep checking back whenever I have time till I get to all of them. I have to admit that many of the ones I've seen so far--with the few exceptions I've already mentioned--sounded quite on the level. It is quite frustrating that over all these years the government could be intentionally covering up the greatest scientific discovery of our time. If indeed there was a 50 year ban on divulging this information perhaps that is a sign that full disclosure is not too far away. Let us hope that is a correct assessment. Please feel free to continue sharing anything else you might run across that is that provocative.
Since we are on the subject of extraterrestrial life and concrete evidence, have you seen these documentaries? If not, you might find this quite eye popping...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u-20g7Bwdw&list
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1169ZsEt0&list
Hi Alice, our pres. should be allowed to operate w/o a fox news machine strangling him. The fox machine needs shut down now. People are hurting.
I heard that Issa is trying to subpoena a guy named G. Washington for his coming hearings about the Christie situation. Maybe he'll get the study protocol and data that were collected as well?
Palindrome -- Do you think any of these people (raygun, thatcher etc.) have ever taken a econ course? Of course, they may understand econ and hope the people they are talking too have never had an econ course. Money is only a measure of wealth, not wealth itself. The only way you run out of wealth is if the people are not working. You can run out of money if one tries to impose a gold standard - a favorite right-wing talking point. Greg Palast points out one of the key motivations of American Revolution, the one in 1776, was the British empire was trying to impose a gold standard on the colonies thus restricting their growth.
Palindromedary ~ Thanks for that link. I read the story and noticed they mentioned Schwab had been hoodwinked in the same scam. That is a notion that is too hard for me to believe. Schwab is a old and proven company that is way ahead of the game; and, the idea that some anonymous rep from a lesser firm knows some profitable little detail they don't is laughable. Sounds like an elaborate con to me. Like the first comment suggested,
However, it doesn't sound right to me--it sounds like pure bullsh!t. Don't be hoodwinked.
"Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt" by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco does an EXCELLENT job of outlining WV's long history of being dominated by special interests. Such a catastrophe as W Virginians are experiencing now is a natural progression of Governments allowing themselves to be purchased by Special Interests.
EPA is our most important law enforcement agency. It defends the future. Stop the republicans from tearing it down. Corporations that pollute are doing more then robbing a bank. They are stealing the future. We must enact a 3 strikes and your out law. If a corp is guilty of gross pollution more then 3 times they are out of our economy for good. We must declare that access to clean water is an inalienable human right. Begin a new water management plan that works on a regional basis. Buy out the private owned water rights and merge with surrounding municipalities. End the rush of the petrol-chemical corps from buying up our aquifers to use for fracking. If they can own the water we can't litigate for damages.
They want us to think Americans deserve pain. The economic elites don't, of course, they deserve to be pampered - and we deserve to work hard for their pampering.
I m guessing that lawsuits will ensue.
Anyone with half a brain knows that these corporations operate with impugnity. Until we get a corrupt free Congress they will never be held to any set of safety standards and if they are they will just ignore them anyway. Just look at BP,does anyone think the Gulf states are free from that oil spill? They paid people to shut them up. What we need are uprisings like we saw in the 60's against the Viet-Nam war where hundreds of thousands of people protested on a daily basis. We now live in a state of Corporate America with a bought and paid for Congress with no oversight,all compliments of the so-called great Ronald Reagan,worse President than Bush2 and that's bad.
This TPP agreement will be another link to the cause of the "Crash of 2016".
Corporations should pay for their own mistakes--AMEN to that!!
If corporations are "people," they should be subject to the same laws and punishments as REAL humans.
The K-RATS on the Supreme Court are obvious intelletual light-weights (an intellectual conservative is an oxymoron--high-level intellect requires flexibility and looking at the big picture and willingness to accept or consider new/opposite ideas/viewpoints), I guess the K-RATS didn't see this coming.
Are corporations going to be allowed immunity as they have enjoyed in the past as the non-human non-liable artifical enitites they really are? But I'm sure the big guns will buy their way out of any conundrum/diseaster they create through their criminal negligence and the REAL humans will pay the price.