The idea that buying stock in a company is an 'investment' is silly. If I buy stock from Mr. A, none of the exchanged funds benefit the company. The only function of stock is to get a cut of the wealth produced by the company's workers. If the company pays less to its workers, more can be given to the stockholders. Somehow that sounds like a vampire system which bleeds wealth out of a company to the detriment of the workers to enrich a few who do nothing in exchange to benefit the company. Worker ownership is a better system since the wealth they create can be more equally distributed. We need to drop the myth that stock ownership does something to benefit a company.
fm: Yes, I've heard of Dead Peasants Life Insurance. I suppose that is appropriately named. It used to be that only key top level people were used in this way so that the company would profit from their deaths. The practice has spread over the years to include even low-level employees...hence...dead peasants. Wives and families would never get a penny and usually the employee or the families knew nothing about the insurance anyway. Only the company would rake in the profit from their now dead employees. I read about this back in about 2008 for the first time. Now, I understand why these companies tried their darnedest to work us to death through mega-stress.
About this very timeframe (Reagan/Bush), I recall my company put out a life insurance policy on me that was payable just to them. I think we had the option to decide on whether to allow it or not, but seriously given their inclination to lay people off when the going got a little tough (it was an industry dependent on government contracts and there was a war on (deja vu)), not like there was really much choice.
This was the first blatant change in the way things were going to be from now on that really sunk in. I left the company on good terms a few years later (good people at that location but the rest of the company oy). Ten years there, three different corporations owned us during that period. (One since, a few more prior.)
And then I ended up at a different, bigger company that really was heavily entrenched in the employees as sheeple mindset, very post-Reagan flavored. I think the bigger the company, and the farther away the head mucky mucks are, the more it's like that. And with their every other year reorganizations, farther and farther away is what you become to them.
After leaving them (or rather after their leaving me) a dozen or so years later, I tried my hand at contracting, about all that was left in my field for folks my age, and two of those and too much time in between them was about all I could take.
I agree 100% with the first sentence in Thom's post. I would like to relate a two-part incident that I witnessed in Chicago in January, 1976. I was a 30-year-old white male then.
I had been a passenger in a car driven by somebody that accidentally drove north in the southbound (reversible) lane of the Lake Shore Drive. Although a head-on collision resulted, nobody was hurt worse than a few bumps. While waiting for an ambulance to take me to the hospital for X-rays, the Chicago policeman treated the driver of the car I was in--a white woman a few years younger than me--with polite deference.
He seemed angry, however, with the black man driving the vehicle that we collided with and, in fact, gave him a ticket for some minor flaw he found with his car.
Sometime later I was sitting in the waiting room of the OR waiting for an X-ray. As my injury was very minor, it was a rather long wait. During that time I witnessed the following incident: Two Chicago policemen, whom I would describe as "barrel-chested" and "ham fisted" (and white) came in with a middle-aged black man. This man was crying--saying things like he had nothing to live for, that nobody loved him, and other things that showed that he was really, really down. Perhaps he had attempted suicide.
Both of these tough Chicago cops were talking to him in extremely kind, measured voices, that he had lots to live for, that they would try to find his wife (I guess that was part of the problem), etc. I was awed at the kindness and patience they showed him.
The cop that was rude to the hapless black driver who was in an accident that was somebody else's fault was probably more typical of Chicago cops in 1976. This was just about a month after Mayor Richard J Daley died. But the other two showed how it should be done in situations like those that do not involve split-second life or death situations--which must be the large majority of encounters between police and the people they are sworn to serve.
Just another example of why you should keep your mouth shut and follow orders by the police. Bad things happen unless you do. This guy was lucky that he only got tased. Others have been beaten or shot. But I get the impression that this was a setup by the Black guy to get this kind of thing on video. There are people who will, knowing that they will be challenged by police, do things to provoke issues in order to show how the police can be wrong...and it may be good that they do this... but it is dangerous to do so. I believe that he had every right to be sitting where he was and shouldn't have been ordered to move. But my point is that if you argue with the police and don't immediately follow their orders...you are looking for trouble...and you will get it. And if you are willing to risk being jailed, beaten, or shot then it is either a very brave thing to do ...or a very stupid thing to do.
I wonder, was he really waiting for his kids? And, was that the most convenient or closest place to have been waiting for his kids? I've not seen any confirmation that that was true. Not that it should really make any difference. According to this article, this happened back in January and since then, the guy has won his case.
We definately need some laws and regulations to protect the people and the economy of The United States from corpoate greed. The heads of businesses take Business 101 to heart, hire your labor as cheap as possible, buy your materials as cheap as possible, and sell your product or services for as much as possible. That's good for business but not so good for the workers and the consumers. I often hear republicans complaining about how too much government regulation is hurting business and how regulation cost are passed down to the consumers. What's hurting consumers is the fact that there are not enough regulations to protect workers and consumers from corpoate greed. Do you think that the more money corperations make the more they will pay their workers? No, way that's going to happen in the USA unless they are made to do it. Corperations should have to pay taxes on what they earn in this country weather they are headquartered here or not. We buy so much stuff that is made in foreign countries that we used to make here. All of this outsourcing needs to stop and insourcing needs to start back up again. Free trade agreements have hurt the American workers more than it has helped them. FAIR trade agreements are what we need, fair for the American workers. If we were manufacturing all of the stuff we used to used to manufacture for ourselves, unemployment would be wiped out. Voting for the right political candidates that will collectivly make lobbying illeagle, regulate corporations, banks, campaign finance, and promote good wage laws is what it's going to take for us to have liberty and justice for all except for the liberty to screw over the American people.
You miss a vital point. This isn't the first time the US has been in this mess, when the richest few gained power over govt, to the great harm of the country. Each time in the past, the poor and middle class, workers and the jobless, ultimately united to push back -- to everyone's benefit. That can't happen this time. This time, the proverbial masses were successfully divided and conquered. That said, the hysteria about "illegals" is silly. It's illegal to hire illegal immigrants, and the penalties are very high. Not many companies can afford to take that risk. When you apply for a job, you're required to give full info re birth place/date, education and employnent history, etc., and employers are required to verify this. There is no reason to risk hiring an "illegal" because much has been done since the 1990s to increase the number of people who can be put to work at min. wage or less/no workers' rights.
WaltB says "The 'eye socket fracture' claim has proven to be a bogus malicious lie to smear Michael Brown" and provides a link to prove it.
Thank you Walt!! I never believed that part of the story; ditto that convenience store robbery Mr. Brown supposedly committed, that allegedly took place right before the jaywalking incident culminating in his death.
I don't believe ANYTHING from corporate fascist media anymore. Their pundits are liars-for-hire. It gets sleazier each year. I'm so glad not to be paying for the "privilege" of hearing their bullshit crap anymore. - AIW
Actually, upon taking office, President Obama went to work on repairing some of the damage done to Social Security by Bill Clinton. Since then, the Democrats in Congress have voted against Obama's progressive proposals time after time, knowing the public would blame the president. Interestingly, much of the media marketed to libs have virtually ignored Obama's many successes while implicitely supporting the hyper-capitalist ideology (i.e., only those who are of current use to the corporate state are deserving of the basic human rights of food and shelter). How do we explain a "liberal" media that has written VP Joe Biden out of the discussion in an effort to "sell" the neo-liberal (right wing) Hillary Clinton?
ProfDoc, why are you so defensive in behalf of the NRA? I read Frosty's post and saw nothing to warrant such an aggressively hostile response. If there was anything to criticize in that post, it was that he didn't highlight any examples to illustrate what he was describing (people allowed to "commit murder freely & openly and then rewarded...").
I think the NRA, via lobbying and so forth, has done much harm to our society. I for one am tired of all the obsession with GUNS. I don't want to see people parading them around in the streets as if this were a goddam war zone. In light of all the carnage we've seen around this country in recent years, I'd say "gun fruits" isn't such an outrageous characterization. Remember that Bundy Ranch scenario? To call those guys 'gun fruits" is putting it mildly.
Having read a number of Frosty's posts, I find his input in general to be neither vicious nor hateful. I'd be more inclined to use those words to characterize your response to him. - AIW
P.S. judging from U.S. foreign policy over the past fifty years or more, I think it a strong argument could be made that this country is indeed run by "homicidal maniacs".
Still, the middle class embraced this agenda every step of the way. Remember Reagan's speil about how deregulating our "job creators" would result in an explosion of "good, family supporting jobs"? Right. Fast forward to Clinton, who told us all would be swell if we just agree to throw the poor off the cliff -- after giving us NAFTA, significantly increasing the number of poor. To sum up our choices dating back to the 1980s: We looked at the policies and programs implemented from FDR to Reagan, which took the US to its height of wealth and productivity, and decided to reverse course, doing just the opposite.
Does all Thom’s history books start in February 1981 and end February 1989. American presidential administration, including President Carter, has been functionaries of the business agenda of the United States and its constant war economy since the Eisenhower administration. Thom’s attacks on the Reagan administration is justified, but the historical evidence will clearly show that Reagan administration may have been openly friendly to the corporate sector, and enemy of labor. However, the Reagan administration was no exception to the rule they just didn’t apologize for the effects of their policies. They embraced corporate fascism as stated in their motto Trickle Down Economics which is an appropriate metaphor for urinating on the public.
The tide of corporate fascism was coming regardless of who was in the oval office. Limited representative government is a system set up for such control from established power centers like the Military Industrial Complex, Wall St., K Street, the Business Roundtable and other established centers of power. These agendas that were implemented during the Reagan administration came from established power that had been building and concentrating their efforts since WWII.
The Reagan administration was the fountainhead of a sea change that been concealed and protect by other administration. The difference between Reagan and other administration, other administration didn’t trumpet the coming wave of corporate domination, however, the Reagan administration didn’t just trumpet the arrival of Corpo-Fascism; they openly facilitated the government institutions to become corporate strong holds like the Supreme Court.
The corporate takeover of the US has been bipartisan effort with a historic record from the Truman administration to our current corporate lackey-and-Chief-Executive-Officer President Obama. When you single out one administration without historical context to another administration culpability, then you become single minded and obsessed like the conservatives were with Clinton and now with Obama. Yes, Thom, Reagan was a bad man, but so are all the other presidents past and present.
Believing that Ronnie was just one rotten apple that spoiled the barrel is like thinking if Exxon hadn’t spilled oil up in Alaska then BP wouldn’t have saturated the gulf coast with its own massive oil spill. The system is corrupt and easily controlled with money and that’s basis for the current situation. Giving Reagan sole responsibility for CEO largesse’s is letting other administrations off the hook for their collaboration with the corporate sector that's lead us to our current economic and social systems.
Unexercised stock options and offshore bank accounts! My tax revenue loss clock is just a blur of flying figures..........Tom Reed!!!!
Off topic,......Bin Laden wins again, more endless war, and a step closer to complete financial ruin for the United States Empire. I wonder how many separate countries we will end up becoming? Might be a good thing.
Thank you for your enlightening comments Mr. Sacredori. I too researched these reports and like you I found that things weren't quite as reported. I would not deny that there often appears to be a racial aspect to the character of police response. However, my scientific education sometimes brings into question the value of anecdotal information such as this. It often seems that the evidence paints a clear picture. But we live in a vast land filled with thousands of towns and cities of all sizes. The "data" points that we recieve from the news media and Thom Hartmann's of the world represent only a small fraction of the total. I frequently wonder if Mr. Hartmann is not willing to sacrifice factual reporting in favor of a political agenda. Our ailing country needs more men like you that prefer facts to heresay and are willing to put forth some effort to get them. S.J.Thomas, Disabled American Veteran
Reagan Bush 1 2 policies- laws -deregulation- amnesty - busting labor unions - massive unfunded Hidden debt- and Clinton's passing of NAFTA CAFTA GATT is bringing the middle class to near extinction Bring back Glass Seagal Fair practices End Citizens United Enforce laws against illegal EMPLOYERS hiring illegal workers ! Thats the easy way to fix immigration. Who has gutts to do it ?
Cut bloated war profiteers- No more war 'contractors who are robbing US blind. NO private for profit Jails . Medicare for all Increase min wage to $ 10 or more Then watch US economy soar ! FYI GOP will NEVER do ANY of this ! They only favor corps - billionaires. Not our kids education- seniors in poverty- who's pensions have been slashed - who's wages & benefits are down Thanks to millions of illegals taking US jobs C onstruction jobs alone employs 20 % of illegals Landscaping , carpet cleaning, restaurants cooks and more. I have NO ill will for these hard working folks but Americans deserve these jobs . Heavy FINES for illegal employers Problem solved.
Corporations screw everyone.... Don't they ever? For over tweny years, I worked for a big corporation that had products approved by the FDA and probably other governmental agencies. Now, I see legal ads on TV for some of the products we sold and advising listeners that, if they had purchased these products, they "may be entitled to substantial, financial compensation" and to call "the law offices of....."
I believe the government has been in cahoots with big corporations far longer than most Americans know. I'm retired now and just getting into issues like Move to Amend and global warming. As for 350.org Madison (WI), 350 Minnesota, and Michigan (Mi-Cats), we're fighting the Enbridge pipelines in the Midwest. These pipelines are conveying tar sands through these states: MN, WI, MI, IL, etc. Governments (both federal and state) continue to rubber-stamp anything Enbridge wants.
However, we're raising awareness in some counties in these states, and county boards are starting to demand environmental impact statements (EIS's) and hearings within their jurisdictions. Some of the stories are amazing, egregious, funny, heart-warming, and generally incredible.
Frosty, your vicious comments exemplify the ignorance shared by so many in this country. I am referring to the significant segment of people who, like yourself, are not capable of distinguishing what is factual and can be proven from what is simply believed. It is beyond absurd to suggest that anyone is allowed to commit murder “freely and openly” and then rewarded for their heinous act with a good job. If there were any truth in your remarkably bizarre statement I should think that this country would be run by homicidal maniacs. Equally ridiculous is your assertion that the National Rifle Association is staffed by murderers. The sickness that is rapidly growing in my country does not come from the NRA. And the hatred that is being “openly spewed” is rooted in the alarming numbers of ignorant hateful people like you. I must admit that I have never heard the term “gun fruits” before. At first I thought it was a little Archie ‘Bunker-ish’. But upon further reflection it doesn’t sound like a term that a typical American would coin.
Thom, you need to address RichardofJeffersonCity because he is right on the money. Reagan was a turning point, no doubt, but this has been going on since the end of WW II. Eisenhower himself warned us about it in his farewell address, and JKF learned about it, the hard way.
Thom, I think you picked a poor example. The phenomena that you mention is true. However, I spent some time reviewing that video, and things are not exactly as you state them. The black gentleman had had words with the people at a bank who had apparently asked him to leave the bank building, and called the police on him. It seems he was sitting on a bench waiting when he was asked to leave. The first officer tells him she just needs his personal info so she can sort out what happened, and then he can be on his way. He refuses to give his info, and from that point she has legitimate reason to arrest him. Right then a colleague shows up, tells him he's going to arrest him. The camera goes black and we can hear the man gets tased. It sounds like he acted with excessive force. However, it wasn't a case of police stopping a guy waiting for his kids, it was police stopping a guy after receiving a complaint, and arresting him after he repeatedly refused to identify himself. It was a legitimate stop that ended in excessive force, and not an illegitimate stop and force as you make it out to be. Bending those sorts of details makes me question the veracity of the rest of your content.
The idea that buying stock in a company is an 'investment' is silly. If I buy stock from Mr. A, none of the exchanged funds benefit the company. The only function of stock is to get a cut of the wealth produced by the company's workers. If the company pays less to its workers, more can be given to the stockholders. Somehow that sounds like a vampire system which bleeds wealth out of a company to the detriment of the workers to enrich a few who do nothing in exchange to benefit the company. Worker ownership is a better system since the wealth they create can be more equally distributed. We need to drop the myth that stock ownership does something to benefit a company.
Palindromedary ~ What happened to your little Devil?
fm: Yes, I've heard of Dead Peasants Life Insurance. I suppose that is appropriately named. It used to be that only key top level people were used in this way so that the company would profit from their deaths. The practice has spread over the years to include even low-level employees...hence...dead peasants. Wives and families would never get a penny and usually the employee or the families knew nothing about the insurance anyway. Only the company would rake in the profit from their now dead employees. I read about this back in about 2008 for the first time. Now, I understand why these companies tried their darnedest to work us to death through mega-stress.
http://www.businessinsider.com/is-there-a-dead-peasant-life-insurance-po...
About this very timeframe (Reagan/Bush), I recall my company put out a life insurance policy on me that was payable just to them. I think we had the option to decide on whether to allow it or not, but seriously given their inclination to lay people off when the going got a little tough (it was an industry dependent on government contracts and there was a war on (deja vu)), not like there was really much choice.
This was the first blatant change in the way things were going to be from now on that really sunk in. I left the company on good terms a few years later (good people at that location but the rest of the company oy). Ten years there, three different corporations owned us during that period. (One since, a few more prior.)
And then I ended up at a different, bigger company that really was heavily entrenched in the employees as sheeple mindset, very post-Reagan flavored. I think the bigger the company, and the farther away the head mucky mucks are, the more it's like that. And with their every other year reorganizations, farther and farther away is what you become to them.
After leaving them (or rather after their leaving me) a dozen or so years later, I tried my hand at contracting, about all that was left in my field for folks my age, and two of those and too much time in between them was about all I could take.
Corporate policies once considered illegal now commen place.
Why isnt there a link after every blog to electronically sign a petition to
Change things instead of just ranting about them?
I can yell at the wind.
Good story, Tom1945!
I agree 100% with the first sentence in Thom's post. I would like to relate a two-part incident that I witnessed in Chicago in January, 1976. I was a 30-year-old white male then.
I had been a passenger in a car driven by somebody that accidentally drove north in the southbound (reversible) lane of the Lake Shore Drive. Although a head-on collision resulted, nobody was hurt worse than a few bumps. While waiting for an ambulance to take me to the hospital for X-rays, the Chicago policeman treated the driver of the car I was in--a white woman a few years younger than me--with polite deference.
He seemed angry, however, with the black man driving the vehicle that we collided with and, in fact, gave him a ticket for some minor flaw he found with his car.
Sometime later I was sitting in the waiting room of the OR waiting for an X-ray. As my injury was very minor, it was a rather long wait. During that time I witnessed the following incident:
Two Chicago policemen, whom I would describe as "barrel-chested" and "ham fisted" (and white) came in with a middle-aged black man. This man was crying--saying things like he had nothing to live for, that nobody loved him, and other things that showed that he was really, really down. Perhaps he had attempted suicide.
Both of these tough Chicago cops were talking to him in extremely kind, measured voices, that he had lots to live for, that they would try to find his wife (I guess that was part of the problem), etc. I was awed at the kindness and patience they showed him.
The cop that was rude to the hapless black driver who was in an accident that was somebody else's fault was probably more typical of Chicago cops in 1976. This was just about a month after Mayor Richard J Daley died. But the other two showed how it should be done in situations like those that do not involve split-second life or death situations--which must be the large majority of encounters between police and the people they are sworn to serve.
Just another example of why you should keep your mouth shut and follow orders by the police. Bad things happen unless you do. This guy was lucky that he only got tased. Others have been beaten or shot. But I get the impression that this was a setup by the Black guy to get this kind of thing on video. There are people who will, knowing that they will be challenged by police, do things to provoke issues in order to show how the police can be wrong...and it may be good that they do this... but it is dangerous to do so. I believe that he had every right to be sitting where he was and shouldn't have been ordered to move. But my point is that if you argue with the police and don't immediately follow their orders...you are looking for trouble...and you will get it. And if you are willing to risk being jailed, beaten, or shot then it is either a very brave thing to do ...or a very stupid thing to do.
I wonder, was he really waiting for his kids? And, was that the most convenient or closest place to have been waiting for his kids? I've not seen any confirmation that that was true. Not that it should really make any difference. According to this article, this happened back in January and since then, the guy has won his case.
http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/274040711.html
We definately need some laws and regulations to protect the people and the economy of The United States from corpoate greed. The heads of businesses take Business 101 to heart, hire your labor as cheap as possible, buy your materials as cheap as possible, and sell your product or services for as much as possible. That's good for business but not so good for the workers and the consumers. I often hear republicans complaining about how too much government regulation is hurting business and how regulation cost are passed down to the consumers. What's hurting consumers is the fact that there are not enough regulations to protect workers and consumers from corpoate greed. Do you think that the more money corperations make the more they will pay their workers? No, way that's going to happen in the USA unless they are made to do it. Corperations should have to pay taxes on what they earn in this country weather they are headquartered here or not. We buy so much stuff that is made in foreign countries that we used to make here. All of this outsourcing needs to stop and insourcing needs to start back up again. Free trade agreements have hurt the American workers more than it has helped them. FAIR trade agreements are what we need, fair for the American workers. If we were manufacturing all of the stuff we used to used to manufacture for ourselves, unemployment would be wiped out. Voting for the right political candidates that will collectivly make lobbying illeagle, regulate corporations, banks, campaign finance, and promote good wage laws is what it's going to take for us to have liberty and justice for all except for the liberty to screw over the American people.
Yeah Mark, I know what you mean. Pulls numbers, statistics and "facts" right out of his arse. - AIW
You miss a vital point. This isn't the first time the US has been in this mess, when the richest few gained power over govt, to the great harm of the country. Each time in the past, the poor and middle class, workers and the jobless, ultimately united to push back -- to everyone's benefit. That can't happen this time. This time, the proverbial masses were successfully divided and conquered. That said, the hysteria about "illegals" is silly. It's illegal to hire illegal immigrants, and the penalties are very high. Not many companies can afford to take that risk. When you apply for a job, you're required to give full info re birth place/date, education and employnent history, etc., and employers are required to verify this. There is no reason to risk hiring an "illegal" because much has been done since the 1990s to increase the number of people who can be put to work at min. wage or less/no workers' rights.
WaltB says "The 'eye socket fracture' claim has proven to be a bogus malicious lie to smear Michael Brown" and provides a link to prove it.
Thank you Walt!! I never believed that part of the story; ditto that convenience store robbery Mr. Brown supposedly committed, that allegedly took place right before the jaywalking incident culminating in his death.
I don't believe ANYTHING from corporate fascist media anymore. Their pundits are liars-for-hire. It gets sleazier each year. I'm so glad not to be paying for the "privilege" of hearing their bullshit crap anymore. - AIW
Actually, upon taking office, President Obama went to work on repairing some of the damage done to Social Security by Bill Clinton. Since then, the Democrats in Congress have voted against Obama's progressive proposals time after time, knowing the public would blame the president. Interestingly, much of the media marketed to libs have virtually ignored Obama's many successes while implicitely supporting the hyper-capitalist ideology (i.e., only those who are of current use to the corporate state are deserving of the basic human rights of food and shelter). How do we explain a "liberal" media that has written VP Joe Biden out of the discussion in an effort to "sell" the neo-liberal (right wing) Hillary Clinton?
ProfDoc, why are you so defensive in behalf of the NRA? I read Frosty's post and saw nothing to warrant such an aggressively hostile response. If there was anything to criticize in that post, it was that he didn't highlight any examples to illustrate what he was describing (people allowed to "commit murder freely & openly and then rewarded...").
I think the NRA, via lobbying and so forth, has done much harm to our society. I for one am tired of all the obsession with GUNS. I don't want to see people parading them around in the streets as if this were a goddam war zone. In light of all the carnage we've seen around this country in recent years, I'd say "gun fruits" isn't such an outrageous characterization. Remember that Bundy Ranch scenario? To call those guys 'gun fruits" is putting it mildly.
Having read a number of Frosty's posts, I find his input in general to be neither vicious nor hateful. I'd be more inclined to use those words to characterize your response to him. - AIW
P.S. judging from U.S. foreign policy over the past fifty years or more, I think it a strong argument could be made that this country is indeed run by "homicidal maniacs".
Still, the middle class embraced this agenda every step of the way. Remember Reagan's speil about how deregulating our "job creators" would result in an explosion of "good, family supporting jobs"? Right. Fast forward to Clinton, who told us all would be swell if we just agree to throw the poor off the cliff -- after giving us NAFTA, significantly increasing the number of poor. To sum up our choices dating back to the 1980s: We looked at the policies and programs implemented from FDR to Reagan, which took the US to its height of wealth and productivity, and decided to reverse course, doing just the opposite.
Richard- Very well stated! I couldn't agree with you more, and I hate Reagan as much as anyone. - AIW
Does all Thom’s history books start in February 1981 and end February 1989. American presidential administration, including President Carter, has been functionaries of the business agenda of the United States and its constant war economy since the Eisenhower administration. Thom’s attacks on the Reagan administration is justified, but the historical evidence will clearly show that Reagan administration may have been openly friendly to the corporate sector, and enemy of labor. However, the Reagan administration was no exception to the rule they just didn’t apologize for the effects of their policies. They embraced corporate fascism as stated in their motto Trickle Down Economics which is an appropriate metaphor for urinating on the public.
The tide of corporate fascism was coming regardless of who was in the oval office. Limited representative government is a system set up for such control from established power centers like the Military Industrial Complex, Wall St., K Street, the Business Roundtable and other established centers of power. These agendas that were implemented during the Reagan administration came from established power that had been building and concentrating their efforts since WWII.
The Reagan administration was the fountainhead of a sea change that been concealed and protect by other administration. The difference between Reagan and other administration, other administration didn’t trumpet the coming wave of corporate domination, however, the Reagan administration didn’t just trumpet the arrival of Corpo-Fascism; they openly facilitated the government institutions to become corporate strong holds like the Supreme Court.
The corporate takeover of the US has been bipartisan effort with a historic record from the Truman administration to our current corporate lackey-and-Chief-Executive-Officer President Obama. When you single out one administration without historical context to another administration culpability, then you become single minded and obsessed like the conservatives were with Clinton and now with Obama. Yes, Thom, Reagan was a bad man, but so are all the other presidents past and present.
Believing that Ronnie was just one rotten apple that spoiled the barrel is like thinking if Exxon hadn’t spilled oil up in Alaska then BP wouldn’t have saturated the gulf coast with its own massive oil spill. The system is corrupt and easily controlled with money and that’s basis for the current situation. Giving Reagan sole responsibility for CEO largesse’s is letting other administrations off the hook for their collaboration with the corporate sector that's lead us to our current economic and social systems.
Unexercised stock options and offshore bank accounts! My tax revenue loss clock is just a blur of flying figures..........Tom Reed!!!!
Off topic,......Bin Laden wins again, more endless war, and a step closer to complete financial ruin for the United States Empire. I wonder how many separate countries we will end up becoming? Might be a good thing.
Thank you for your enlightening comments Mr. Sacredori. I too researched these reports and like you I found that things weren't quite as reported. I would not deny that there often appears to be a racial aspect to the character of police response. However, my scientific education sometimes brings into question the value of anecdotal information such as this. It often seems that the evidence paints a clear picture. But we live in a vast land filled with thousands of towns and cities of all sizes. The "data" points that we recieve from the news media and Thom Hartmann's of the world represent only a small fraction of the total. I frequently wonder if Mr. Hartmann is not willing to sacrifice factual reporting in favor of a political agenda. Our ailing country needs more men like you that prefer facts to heresay and are willing to put forth some effort to get them. S.J.Thomas, Disabled American Veteran
You might be interested to watch a short video that is in youtube called We Are All Ine
Reagan Bush 1 2 policies- laws -deregulation- amnesty - busting labor unions - massive unfunded Hidden debt- and Clinton's passing of NAFTA CAFTA GATT is bringing the middle class to near extinction Bring back Glass Seagal Fair practices End Citizens United Enforce laws against illegal EMPLOYERS hiring illegal workers ! Thats the easy way to fix immigration. Who has gutts to do it ?
Cut bloated war profiteers- No more war 'contractors who are robbing US blind. NO private for profit Jails . Medicare for all Increase min wage to $ 10 or more Then watch US economy soar ! FYI GOP will NEVER do ANY of this ! They only favor corps - billionaires. Not our kids education- seniors in poverty- who's pensions have been slashed - who's wages & benefits are down Thanks to millions of illegals taking US jobs C onstruction jobs alone employs 20 % of illegals Landscaping , carpet cleaning, restaurants cooks and more. I have NO ill will for these hard working folks but Americans deserve these jobs . Heavy FINES for illegal employers Problem solved.
Corporations screw everyone.... Don't they ever? For over tweny years, I worked for a big corporation that had products approved by the FDA and probably other governmental agencies. Now, I see legal ads on TV for some of the products we sold and advising listeners that, if they had purchased these products, they "may be entitled to substantial, financial compensation" and to call "the law offices of....."
I believe the government has been in cahoots with big corporations far longer than most Americans know. I'm retired now and just getting into issues like Move to Amend and global warming. As for 350.org Madison (WI), 350 Minnesota, and Michigan (Mi-Cats), we're fighting the Enbridge pipelines in the Midwest. These pipelines are conveying tar sands through these states: MN, WI, MI, IL, etc. Governments (both federal and state) continue to rubber-stamp anything Enbridge wants.
However, we're raising awareness in some counties in these states, and county boards are starting to demand environmental impact statements (EIS's) and hearings within their jurisdictions. Some of the stories are amazing, egregious, funny, heart-warming, and generally incredible.
It may take lots of time, but we're going to win!
Frosty, your vicious comments exemplify the ignorance shared by so many in this country. I am referring to the significant segment of people who, like yourself, are not capable of distinguishing what is factual and can be proven from what is simply believed. It is beyond absurd to suggest that anyone is allowed to commit murder “freely and openly” and then rewarded for their heinous act with a good job. If there were any truth in your remarkably bizarre statement I should think that this country would be run by homicidal maniacs. Equally ridiculous is your assertion that the National Rifle Association is staffed by murderers. The sickness that is rapidly growing in my country does not come from the NRA. And the hatred that is being “openly spewed” is rooted in the alarming numbers of ignorant hateful people like you. I must admit that I have never heard the term “gun fruits” before. At first I thought it was a little Archie ‘Bunker-ish’. But upon further reflection it doesn’t sound like a term that a typical American would coin.
Thom, you need to address RichardofJeffersonCity because he is right on the money. Reagan was a turning point, no doubt, but this has been going on since the end of WW II. Eisenhower himself warned us about it in his farewell address, and JKF learned about it, the hard way.
Thom, I think you picked a poor example. The phenomena that you mention is true. However, I spent some time reviewing that video, and things are not exactly as you state them. The black gentleman had had words with the people at a bank who had apparently asked him to leave the bank building, and called the police on him. It seems he was sitting on a bench waiting when he was asked to leave. The first officer tells him she just needs his personal info so she can sort out what happened, and then he can be on his way. He refuses to give his info, and from that point she has legitimate reason to arrest him. Right then a colleague shows up, tells him he's going to arrest him. The camera goes black and we can hear the man gets tased. It sounds like he acted with excessive force. However, it wasn't a case of police stopping a guy waiting for his kids, it was police stopping a guy after receiving a complaint, and arresting him after he repeatedly refused to identify himself. It was a legitimate stop that ended in excessive force, and not an illegitimate stop and force as you make it out to be. Bending those sorts of details makes me question the veracity of the rest of your content.