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But what exactly did they vote for? Some would argue that they did not vote for brexit without a deal.

I would argue that there was so much misinformation during the campaigning, and so little research or thought by those who were for Brexit, that the referendum was completely invalid.

Brexiters probably voted on single issues, like immigration or some regulation that affected them adversely, rather than being able to see the whole picture.

Personally, I saw advantages and disadvantages to both staying and leaving, and voted remain because I did not see a brexit under the conservatives as bringing any positive change, as I had done my research and found out how little room for manoeuvre they had. I would have voted leave if it was led by somebody with a positive and practical vision.

Now, the thought of having to deal with Trump for trade, even though he is nowhere near as good at the art of the deal as he thinks he is, is frightening, as he is so unpredictable.

On the other hand, we have soured our relationship with Europe, so staying in is less desirable than it was.

So, the conservatives have landed Britain in an unholy mess and frittered away precious time that we should have spent combatting climate change. It will take a significant change in leadership to dig ourselves out of this hole. More of the same need not apply.

Recently it was called to my attention that Trump is showing verifiable symptoms of Dementia (Alzheimer's spectrum). A mental health condition that is clinically verifiable.

It seem to me a movement to ascertain if Trump is suffering from a degenerative illness that effects cognitive skills and mental functioning could lead to the non-partisan recognition of the need to remove him from an office he is increasingly demonstrating to the world (anyone who is paying attention) that he is not mentally capable of occupying.

Everyone reports the same news. It's the coments that sometimes follow (scripted or spontaneous) that divide us. They are just opinion, but somehow qualify as news. It's a buyers market.

Keep shouting, SysBanana.

Back in the day, arrogant right-wing pissants tried to claim the high ground by referring to themselves as the "moral majority." So much for that false mantle ...that sad joke. To give up on Mother Earth in these critical times, either for false religion, a self-centered worldview, willful ignorance, personal gain, political expediency, or a combination thereof, is the height of immorality. And these obstinate, group-think Republican automatons are certainly not in the majority!

There is no sense in even listening to such inveterate liars spinning such ridiculous delusions. They are too far gone for constructive dialogue. They can only be ignored and outvoted. At this late date, the best advice for young people is to become informed by empirical facts and then vote. It's really simple; no matter what anybody says about anything in the sketchy world of political punditry, just vote!

And, bad press or not, the Democratic Party with all its flaws is still worth taking over. Consider the alternative.

It's time -- just barely! -- to reclaim the high ground and true moral majority.

RE: THE CALLER WHO SHARED ABOUT REPUBLICANS AT A BOOTH SAYING IT'S TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT (9-3-19 1st hr)

Yes, Thom, that is the latest excuse for doing nothing about the environment.

I'm finding it to be increasingly present everywhere in my conversations with people I meet both offlline and on. It's not always religion-based, either. (Although I suppose we could say very few of us who had any religious training in childhood ever rid ourselves of all of the subconscious leavings. We all know that the Abrahamic mores of whatever religious persuasion underlie much of the unconscious texture of American society.) Often, especially with the younger people I interact with, it's just plain depression, despair and overwhelm, incessantly whispering powerlessness in the back of peoples' minds.

After 28 years of shouting into the wind about the folly of what we've been doing to our natural world, to hear this from people now... I tell you, it makes me want to grind my teeth with frustration.

All the best to you, brother Thom. Keep up the good fight. I'm with you every day.

even more, really interesting ...

tcluney: "With greed/power being the central objective, our democracy doesn’t have a chance..."

That statement is a profound insight.

The love of money is destroying the planet. That's the hard truth. And all the twisted lies of the rich and powerful, who live in fear of losing their wealth and power, will not change the fundamental fact.

Their fear is the direct result of their greed; the more they gain, the more they fear to lose. This aspect of human psychology is not complicated, even though we try to make it so with endless analyses through the opaque lenses of religious, political, economic, philosophical, and personal biases.

Therefore, to change the direction of society, to survive the coming apocalypse of our own making, more and more individual members of our species must become deeply aware of such a destructive, anti-life dynamic until that acute awareness is harbored by a solid majority, who must then rise up and reject concentrated wealth and power.

Yet, a popular uprising against extreme wealth disparity -- the root of all evil -- is exactly what corporate media seeks most to suppress. It's the same struggle manifested throughout history; but now, we're running out of time.