No Kilosgrd, we are not blaming an inanimate object. Were blaming you for abetting these killers by making an inanimate object that makes mass murder as easy as how fast you can pull the trigger. In my mind you are no better than Niklas Cruz.
In fact you made our point by pointing out that three Sheriffs were killed by ARs. They weren't killed by knives, hammers, slingshots, or even handguns. They were killed by assault rifles that were made available by the Gun Nuts of America, like you.
Maybe you can go meet with the families of the victims of mass murder and assure them that the assault rifles used by the majority of mass murders had nothing to do with the loss of their family members? Do you think that will make them feel better? Do you think they will agree?
This is the problem when the subject of guns is addressed. Both sides line up, dig in and hurl blame and insults at each other. I understand that after a tragic event emotions and feelings are raw. Something needs to be done to prevent future massacres. I’m not sure more laws will change anything. It’s a extremely complex cultural issue....I don’t have an answer, but chooseing up sides, blaming and calling names isn’t the solution. Everyone will have to work together to solve this problem.
Legend..
Don't even get me going on Paul Ryan! I live in his district. I live in his home town... And he most definitely doesn't care about his constituents! But because of illegal redistricting he has no trouble keeping his seat. He's an evil sociopath who has absolutely no empathy at all!!
If the murderer had a hunting rifle instead, Do you think that the officers would have had a better chance. You are an asshole that ignores the fact that each of those officers had wives and children. You are the reason that we have so many murders in America asshole!
Virtually all of these crimes are done with semi auto and most with assualt type weapons with large clips. None of which is needed in public. You do not hunt with them and they are not even good for tartget shooting. We had a ban that worked for 10 years. We need it again. Moments of silence and prayers do not work. Our politicians (mostly Republicans) that are supposed to represent us are bribed and only represent the NRA. There have been 3 Sheriffs in Colorado murdered by assault wepeaons since the beggining of 2018. Paul Ryan says now is not the time to talk about it. Tell that to the dead.
The money that the NRA gives to politicians is nothing but bribes for their votes. That is not lobbying, it is bribing and they should be ashamed for accepting it. It should in a normal world and Government be highly illegal. But not in ours.
The 1st Amendment reads "...the right of the people to peacebly assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievences..."
For those of you who can't comprehend what that means (including Thom, apparently) means lobbying. Yes that includes the NRA but it also includes Planned Parenthood, NARAL (talking about those with blood on their hands), SPLC, ACLU, La Raza, NAACP, etc. and all the other alphabet soup organizations that are the left's go-to lobbies.
Gardener and his buddy here in my district, Mike (can't think of his name, same state) is just as bad. They vote on a "party-line" regardless of an issues merit. In the end, they're all either Demopubs or Repubocrats as my social studies teacher told us back in 1971. Career politicians seeking fame and fortune.
While the 2010 ruling in favor of "citizens united" was a gut punch to democracy in the U.S. and yes the Kochs were behind it, it was the Supreme Court that actually let our nation down. I think the Kochs are self serving pukes, but assholes like them have always been around. It's our Judicuary and Congress that are the real problem and they collude and feed off the Kochs and lackeys that follow them. Only a Constitutional Congress that would put retro-active term limits on all three branches of government can save us now. Unless you know a better (none violent) way.? With the loss of our rights to privacy, even the attempt to convene a constitutional change would be easily thwarted by the "deep state", let alone a militant up-rising. I suspect the fight will be in the streets.
The US 'needs' a huge military with a budget larger than the next 6 or 7 countries combined so we can maintain our status as the world's dominant superpower, so other countries have to ask our permission to use the bathroom, or so we think. Maintenance of empire is our national interest. The so-called defense budget could be cut in half and still protect us. A government that wages unceasing war is fine with most Republicans and many Democrats, a government that actually works for it's citizens is something we can't afford. This is how empires end, with unending military adventures abroad and rot at home.
Does Scotty think that the guy that drives the getaway car at a bank robbery is innocent of abetting the crime?
Does Scotty think that the Fence that buys stolen jewelry is innocent of abetting the crime?
Does Scotty think that the NRA buying politicians for the purpose of making it legal to sell assault weapons to mass murders makes them innocent of abetting crime?
Allowing politicians to be bought means that the NRA and ALEC can get their gun legislation passed (or prevent gun control legislation from being passed), which meant the shooter could easily get his gun.
Legend: Yeah, even the Taliban get married, but it's not the Taliban I'm talking about. I'm not going to scurry off and post a bunch references as we've all been treated to the accounts, or such accounts that get through the filter.
Note: It's Howard Zinn, not Zen. Apologies to anyone who might have searched on the wrong name. Senior moment.
Yes Scotty, I answered your question. You just didn't like my answer. You wanted an answer that was more sympathetic to what you wanted to believe.
Stopgap; I asked a question...I didn't submit a comment...you seemed to jump on my query with both boots.
Others explained it better, however, I still feel Thom's essay could have been been written.
http://www.shootingtracker.com/
No Kilosgrd, we are not blaming an inanimate object. Were blaming you for abetting these killers by making an inanimate object that makes mass murder as easy as how fast you can pull the trigger. In my mind you are no better than Niklas Cruz.
In fact you made our point by pointing out that three Sheriffs were killed by ARs. They weren't killed by knives, hammers, slingshots, or even handguns. They were killed by assault rifles that were made available by the Gun Nuts of America, like you.
Maybe you can go meet with the families of the victims of mass murder and assure them that the assault rifles used by the majority of mass murders had nothing to do with the loss of their family members? Do you think that will make them feel better? Do you think they will agree?
This is the problem when the subject of guns is addressed. Both sides line up, dig in and hurl blame and insults at each other. I understand that after a tragic event emotions and feelings are raw. Something needs to be done to prevent future massacres. I’m not sure more laws will change anything. It’s a extremely complex cultural issue....I don’t have an answer, but chooseing up sides, blaming and calling names isn’t the solution. Everyone will have to work together to solve this problem.
This evil genie was let out of the bottle a long time ago..
And l have no idea how it can be put back in and capped.
Hell, l think the bottle is shattered beyond repair.
Its so sad...
And SCARY!!
Assault weapons does something to people mentally. Big dick syndrome or whatever they do something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8
go to 1:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8
Legend..
Don't even get me going on Paul Ryan! I live in his district. I live in his home town... And he most definitely doesn't care about his constituents! But because of illegal redistricting he has no trouble keeping his seat. He's an evil sociopath who has absolutely no empathy at all!!
If the murderer had a hunting rifle instead, Do you think that the officers would have had a better chance. You are an asshole that ignores the fact that each of those officers had wives and children. You are the reason that we have so many murders in America asshole!
"There have been 3 Sheriffs in Colorado murdered by assault wepeaons since the beggining of 2018."
I supposed these "assault weapons" acted all by themselves. You are blaming an inanimate object. Epic FAIL
K2
Virtually all of these crimes are done with semi auto and most with assualt type weapons with large clips. None of which is needed in public. You do not hunt with them and they are not even good for tartget shooting. We had a ban that worked for 10 years. We need it again. Moments of silence and prayers do not work. Our politicians (mostly Republicans) that are supposed to represent us are bribed and only represent the NRA. There have been 3 Sheriffs in Colorado murdered by assault wepeaons since the beggining of 2018. Paul Ryan says now is not the time to talk about it. Tell that to the dead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberti-Roos_Assault_Weapons_Control_Act_o...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
The money that the NRA gives to politicians is nothing but bribes for their votes. That is not lobbying, it is bribing and they should be ashamed for accepting it. It should in a normal world and Government be highly illegal. But not in ours.
Stopgap,
That's all you got???? FAIL
K2
K2, Citizens United has to do with money to politicians, not lobbyists…"shut up and dribble!"
The 1st Amendment reads "...the right of the people to peacebly assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievences..."
For those of you who can't comprehend what that means (including Thom, apparently) means lobbying. Yes that includes the NRA but it also includes Planned Parenthood, NARAL (talking about those with blood on their hands), SPLC, ACLU, La Raza, NAACP, etc. and all the other alphabet soup organizations that are the left's go-to lobbies.
K2
Gardener and his buddy here in my district, Mike (can't think of his name, same state) is just as bad. They vote on a "party-line" regardless of an issues merit. In the end, they're all either Demopubs or Repubocrats as my social studies teacher told us back in 1971. Career politicians seeking fame and fortune.
While the 2010 ruling in favor of "citizens united" was a gut punch to democracy in the U.S. and yes the Kochs were behind it, it was the Supreme Court that actually let our nation down. I think the Kochs are self serving pukes, but assholes like them have always been around. It's our Judicuary and Congress that are the real problem and they collude and feed off the Kochs and lackeys that follow them. Only a Constitutional Congress that would put retro-active term limits on all three branches of government can save us now. Unless you know a better (none violent) way.? With the loss of our rights to privacy, even the attempt to convene a constitutional change would be easily thwarted by the "deep state", let alone a militant up-rising. I suspect the fight will be in the streets.
#12; 13 - It's about guns
And, the 2nd amendment delusion that a country with a standing army still needs the populace to bear arms
Get this - there was no standing army in 1791
THERE IS NOW
What has happened to common sense?
FOR WHAT DO YOU NEED A GUN???
The US 'needs' a huge military with a budget larger than the next 6 or 7 countries combined so we can maintain our status as the world's dominant superpower, so other countries have to ask our permission to use the bathroom, or so we think. Maintenance of empire is our national interest. The so-called defense budget could be cut in half and still protect us. A government that wages unceasing war is fine with most Republicans and many Democrats, a government that actually works for it's citizens is something we can't afford. This is how empires end, with unending military adventures abroad and rot at home.
Does Scotty think that the guy that drives the getaway car at a bank robbery is innocent of abetting the crime?
Does Scotty think that the Fence that buys stolen jewelry is innocent of abetting the crime?
Does Scotty think that the NRA buying politicians for the purpose of making it legal to sell assault weapons to mass murders makes them innocent of abetting crime?
#1 - It's about guns
And, the 2nd amendment delusion that a country with a standing army still needs the populace to bear arms
Get this - there was no standing army in 1791
THERE IS NOW
What has happened to common sense?
Wow SueN is even posting. I agree totally. one of my Senators, Cory Gardner is totally bribed by the NRA. I hope that he burns in hell.
http://fortune.com/2018/02/15/nra-contributions-politicians-senators/
Allowing politicians to be bought means that the NRA and ALEC can get their gun legislation passed (or prevent gun control legislation from being passed), which meant the shooter could easily get his gun.
Ahhh...perhaps I should read this again as I must have missed something.
How does 'Citizens United' equate to being complicit in the Florida school shooting?
Legend: Yeah, even the Taliban get married, but it's not the Taliban I'm talking about. I'm not going to scurry off and post a bunch references as we've all been treated to the accounts, or such accounts that get through the filter.
Note: It's Howard Zinn, not Zen. Apologies to anyone who might have searched on the wrong name. Senior moment.