Reply to #1: "Their blatant efforts to protect tax havens should eliminate any doubt that Americans had about who the Republicans really work for." ........You would think?????
Another way to frame this.
Do you as a voter in the upcoming midterms desire the following roadmap to economic recovery?
Protect billionaires ability to evade taxation by delay of FATCA.
Move Medicare toward private for profit insurance companies by giving people a set amount to buy their own plans.
Implement 700 billion more in Medicare cuts.
Divert payroll taxes to Wall Street for privatization of Social Security.
Continue tax breaks for companies shipping jobs overseas.
Continue to block all legislation related to job stimulus.
No minimum wage hike and no extension of long term unemployment insurance and more cuts to food stamp program.
End Affordable Health Insurance Act and guarantee U.S. citizens continue to pay twice the rate the rest of the world pays.
Deregulate/end environmental standards to speed up the destruction of Texas first, and eventually the remainder of the planet.
Cut Social Security by looting the fund in order to pay off Fascist Wars for profit debt.
If you desire this......Paul Ryan/Tea Party roadmap to hell.. ...then by all means vote Teapublican in the upcoming midterms.
You may also ask...why in hell would anybody with a sound mind vote republican?...Turn on FOX , tune out reality, deny truth, and just sit there and eat donuts.
My husband thinks we should invade those countries/tax havens and get back the money that belongs to OUR ECONOMY. That money does NOT BELONG to those unpatriotic greedy creeps; it belongs to the American people who MADE that money, not to the few who TOOK the money and are hiding it "under the mattress."
As far as electing law makers who work for the rest of us goes, good luck on getting politicians from either side of the political isle to exclusively work for us. Having said that, FACTA was voted into law on Mar. 18 2010, by the Democrats when they held the Senate and House. So it seems the Democrats do tend to favor laws that are good for all of us and not just the wealthy and the corporations. In any event, we all know the Dem.'s will continue to vote for their candidates and the Repub.'s will continue to do the same. From my prospective this law does a good job in preventing people from hiding profit income in foreign banks and institutions primarily by imposing a tax on any foreign financial institution that does not comply with this new law. The law does the following; (copied from the wpc website.) FATCA, which was enacted as part of the Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act of 2010, requires financial institutions to use enhanced due diligence procedures to identify US persons who have invested in either non-US financial accounts or non-US entities. The intent behind FATCA is to keep US persons from hiding income and assets overseas.
A foreign financial institution (FFI) could face significant consequences if it fails to enter into an agreement with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which is merely the first step; the ability to align all the key stakeholders, including operations, technology, risk, legal, and tax, will be paramount to successfully comply with FATCA. The institution would be subject to a 30% withholding tax on any “withholdable payment” made to its proprietary account for failing to comply with FATCA.
This appears to be a good law and I have yet to read anything that provides a logical reason why this law should be repealed. But I am without doubt that a Republican will come up with some type of reasoning that claims this law will hurt our economy or the wealthy/corporations will move to another country with less tax regulations. If anyone believes this, please give a reference where you viewed such information, so we can all read it. To me this law is a win/win for America. It will make tax cheaters pay their legal share of taxes and it could help stave off the cutting of domestic programs that help people in the middle class and the lower class on the income scale. K.W.
Be very suspicious when Thom quotes numbers and facts that come from the propaganda machine that is Think Progress. There is way more to this than just creating another wedge issue to demonize Rand Paul, Mike Lee and others.
The Presidential Commission on Election Administration report, issued yesterday, makes no mention of the problem with recounting machine voting results. One can only reprint the vote tallies which are subject to alteration by officials or by hacking. I had hoped for better. Paper ballots were good enough when I voted as a baby; it ought to be good enough now.
FACTA was a result of the UBS scandal. Oh, the US became an oligarchy in 2008. I think it's a Republican/Democratic party issue who are both controlled by the billionaires.
AIW -- This reply is talk about critical thinking being taughtl. However, I first would like to remind people, that according to what Thom has said, the average work day for native americans was 2 hours. That was before the mentally diseased Europeans arrived.
Now to critical thinking. IMO, I think you were taught critical thinking from kindergarden to the end of your formal education. I think you would believe the same thing if you were to compare the teachings in a fundamentalist religious school to how you were taught. I think the Texan repug party had fundamentalist Christian schools in mind when they entered that plank about no teaching of critical thinking.
ScottFromOz -- I agree with what you say. We need to do everything we can to reverse are slide into oligarchy. IMO, the best way to do that is to overload congress with dems. I say this because of the laws that Nancy P and Obama passed during the 13 weeks of his 5 years in office in which the dems controlled both houses. My favorite being card check since I think it has the most teeth which was actually passed by the house and filibustered by the senate during the other 247 weeks when the dems did not control the senate..
My point was there is hope no matter how dire it becomes. It seems that the more dire it becomes the more power the 99% gain.
I am more concerned about resource wars and their aftermath, than the notion of human progress. The way it looks today, the oligarchs could care less about people, human progress and more about indebting the rest of us as serfs.
I think the real question should be does classwarfare lead to resource wars and impede human existence.
I believe we as a culture define human progress as better Ipads, TV sets, cars and wind turbines, all feats of modern engineering requiring complex supply chains provided by cheap carbon. None of our modern marvels can exist without fossil fuels. So, if you define human progress at the twentieth century price of a barrel oil, the buring of finite carbon which is analogous to millions of years of plant decay which was created a long ago by sunlight millions of years ago compacted into a barrel of oil at a set price below $100 per barrel than what good is your progress!
Thus the real question is are we fodder for resource wars or is the human condition something more important!
Sunlight, wind can be real human progress with less material goods dependent on finite resources. Human progress should be defined as more leisure time and less materialsim. I for one am tired of busting my butt to secure an existence that will never be fufilling, how about you?
*Info on Resource Wars: The Carter Doctrine was used in 1990 to justify the first Gulf War.Following the oil shocks in the 1970s, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger toldthe editors of Business Week that the United States was prepared to go to warover oil and that Washington would have no hesitation to use force “where there’s some actual strangulation of the industrialized world.” Klare (2001) argues that the Caspian Basin and the South China Sea are the most likely regions towitness large-scale warfare over oil in the future. War over water is another pressing issue in international politics. For example, in 1980 Boutros Boutros-Ghali commented that “The next war in our region will be over the waters of the Nile, not politics
It's really odd how people who were lucky enough to get a pile of wealth always claim they worked hard for their money. I believe that is a "Kroc of sh!t" (pun intended). Of course, I no longer eat sh!t burgers (that's what I call them because of what's in them...what! you didn't know? where do you think the e-coli comes from?)
In many cases they don't even work as hard as the lowly peons sweating in the fields or the service people who sweep the floors. Many of these wealthy people were just lucky to have made the right decisions, investments perhaps, accepted a position perhaps, that led to opportunities that they took advantage of. They were just plain lucky! I think we can find at least a few examples where education sure didn't help them "get lucky". ;-}
And, by the way...don't overlook all of those acts of violence that occurred in our history. Nothing would have changed were it not for those downtrodden and exploited finally fighting back against those who were beating the crap out of them for daring to protest against their conditions.
It is no accident that the ruling elite propaganda machine tries to down play those historic acts of self defense and try to emphasize the icons of peace as the vehicle of change. They would much rather you go out and get your heads cracked open by the fascist police than for you to actually fight back. They want you to be like Gandhi and MLK and not like those who stand their ground and inflict as much pain as the bullies inflict upon them. That's why they, after these icons are dead, use them as models of the way they want us to act...non-violently...the thing that never really works unless it was coincidental with major acts of violence.
And the masses could very well overwhelm the few jackals that are dressed as jackbooted Nazis. And that's what they don't want us to know. Look what's happening in the Ukraine. Look what happened in Egypt and Libya. Look what happened in the French revolution, in the Iranian revolution, the Russian Revolution. The people amassed and violently overthrew their corrupt leaders.
It always starts out with people getting really fed up and taking to the streets in protest. Then the cops or company bullies are hired to crack heads of the protestors. Eventually, insurrections break out like at Matewan. This puts the exigency of realizing that the capitalist-industrial bullies and their toady politicians had to finally relent a bit.
The alternative is complete breakdown and potential mob violence against the criminal elite who stand to lose everything they have stolen. But now, they use the corrupt two-party ruse to keep hope alive always to be shot dead after their newly elected Democrat "savior" wins the election. They know that if they can keep fooling people with false hope they will continue to push us all into slavery all without having to fire a shot.
Kend, bully for them. Most people in minimum wage jobs nowadays aren't getting a stepping stone; they're stuck in a trap with no exit. For you to use Mr. Walton as an example is patently absurd, since he owned the friggin' business. (HELLO) I can't give an answer regarding Jeff Bezos or Ray Kroc, who I know nothing about (altho Mr. Kroc's name seems vaguely familiar). But you are missing my point. I'm not saying any job is below anybody, as long as there is reasonable opportunity to improve one's lot in life and move up the socioeconomic totem pole. At this time, and in this country, those opportunities no longer exist. Social mobility is dead in the good ole USA.
When it comes to the issue of taxes, you conservatives remind me of five-year-olds throwing a massive hissy fit whenever they're told to share anything: "Waah! That's mine!" It's about being an adult, Kend, and paying your fair share for infrastrastructure we all use. As Thom keeps pointing out, the wealthier one is, the more that person uses the courts, the roads, airports, etc. So why shouldn't they pay more, then? These things all cost money. And shouldn't the amount of tax be based on a person's ability to pay?! My only problem with taxes is the unfairness of our tax system in this country, which routinely places the heaviest burden on those who can least afford it. Meanwhile approximately 25% of major, privately owned corporations pay no taxes at all; not to mention how much of our tax $$ gets sucked into the war machine, instead of going to things that are useful and actually benefit us. But you seem resentful about paying regardless of where the tax $$ goes, which is extremely shortsighted. And selfish. Anyone who owns as much property and stuff as you do has nothing to complain about, and frankly Kend, I don't give a damn how hard you worked for it. Time to grow up, put on your big-boy panties and stop whining. - Aliceinwonderland
Scott to me it doesn't matter whether it is Totalitarianism or Communism I don't won't the government controlling any money of mine. i earned it it is mine. I know some on this blog believe all of what the we earn is the governments and the government should decide how much they give me back but I believe it is all mine and I will decide how much I should give to the government.
@chuckle8 wrote "Things were much worse in the late 1800's and the early 1930's than they are now"
Agreed and fair point. However when things are heading south at a rapid rate of knots, what does it benefit us to say "things are not yet as bad as they once were"?
"Others see things as they are and ask 'Why?'. I see things as they could be and ask 'Why not?'"
Must we wait until our living standards and our wealth inequality are on a par with the poorest countries before we decide to do something about it? If we wait much longer will we be able to do anything about it? Short of some kind of overthrow of the plutocracy, are we able to do anything about it now?
Yes, things were worse in the 1800's and there was a kind of revolt against the robber barons, but the robber barons now have much more pervasive and sophisticated propaganda machines. Witness the power of the Murdoch media on uncritical individuals like Kend.
Even in the 70's we revolted against a government that had dragged us into an unjustified and unwinnable war. When W and Cheney dragged us into Iraq on false pretences, where were the protests? Where was the critical journalism to expose the lies and deceptions? The corporatised media can no longer be relied on to give us the critical scrutiny of the powerbrokers anymore. The media are now part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Over the past 30-odd years our political position has been shifted so far to the right it is barely distinguishable from Fascism. This is the role of the Tea Party. To be a party that is so far out in the extreme, they make the modern Republican party look moderate by comparison. They are anything but moderate.
Finally, every call for some form of moderation is met with responses like Kend's that "this is a move toward Communism" (where they mean Totalitarianism rather than actual Communism). In actual fact, the concentration of wealth and power has brought us closer to Totalitarianism than all but the worst of the dictatorships.
Alice, Ray Kroc worked the floor at McDonalds when he started, Mr Walton greeted people coming into his first store, and Jeff Bezos stocked the first shelves at Amazon. It wasn't below them. It was a stepping stone.
what do you call tax increases. That is taking someone's god damn money. Isn't it?
those same fire dept. , infrastructure, law etc are delivered equally just the same in a capitalist system, health care ihas a way to go Down there but even in Socialist Canada it's not delivered Equally.
Kend says "We can have anything we want if we work for it." Tell that to the greeter at Walmart, or one of those warehouse workers for Amazon, or the guy at McDonald's. They CHOOSE to be poor; to work fulltime and still be poor. Right, Kend?
And where do you get this idea that any of us is interested in taking your goddam money? Or anyone else's money? Gimmie a break.
You said you didn't like the idea of everyone having the same healthcare, equating that with "communism". That sounds pretty lame, Kend. I happen to be a socialist at heart; I've no interest in living under a communist regime where all property is owned by the state. However nothing would make me happier than to live in a socialist system with this thing called the commons, which translates to non-profit, tax-supported infrastructure including the post office, fire department, utilities, schools, law enforcement, and a healthcare system that delivers the SAME quality of care to EVERYONE, rich or poor. Hallmarks of a civilized society. - AIW
Note: most on the board of directors and every other level are Republicans and most of the companies are big corporations... i.e., government by the corporation for the corporation ...with lobbyists accepting super PAC $ for legislated favors such as tax loopholes etc.
Nice! Right on the money! Forgive the pun. Things will change and balance will come in time, I am glad I will be gone before the any real ugly outbursts..Worry for my grand kids however. Give Peace a Chance....(the Good Lennon)
Aliceinwonderland: You've got me laughing so hard that I can't even hunt and peck at my usual lame pace. No offense intended Kend!
I'll give it a shot though.....It's a fact, the rich getting richer has not created jobs, but it has created a small number of people who have become more powerful than their respective Democratic States/governments, so I agree, it is a global problem. We can call this growth of private power whatever we want.....oligarchy, plutocracy, corporatocracy...... or fascism, which is what many of us are calling it. I don't really care, it's still arbitrary power in the hands of scoundrels. It's government by and for the wealthy few and thus government against the working class many. The social contract has been blatantly violated, and we the people should not tolerate this any longer.
"Before this miserable system of wreckage has destroyed the life germ of respect and culture in our american people, let us save what was here, merely by having none too poor and none too rich, the theory of Share Our Wealth Society is to have enough for all, but not to have one with so much that less than enough remains for the balance of the people." Huey Long...Share OurWealth Society.... 1932
Another quote by the Huester...."Always take the offensive-the defensive ain't worth a damn."
The Teapublicans and Fox News have done well with this offensive advice.... I say it's time for we progressives to go on a massive offense, and also demand it of our elected reps. I think the talking point that 85 out of control citizens, have as much wealth as half the worlds population......this because those same monied Fascists have political control of their governments.... is a good place to start.
Global -- Is that all you can come up with -- read somebody else's thoughts? Do you have any thoughts of your own?
Reply to #1: "Their blatant efforts to protect tax havens should eliminate any doubt that Americans had about who the Republicans really work for." ........You would think?????
Another way to frame this.
Do you as a voter in the upcoming midterms desire the following roadmap to economic recovery?
Protect billionaires ability to evade taxation by delay of FATCA.
Move Medicare toward private for profit insurance companies by giving people a set amount to buy their own plans.
Implement 700 billion more in Medicare cuts.
Divert payroll taxes to Wall Street for privatization of Social Security.
Continue tax breaks for companies shipping jobs overseas.
Continue to block all legislation related to job stimulus.
No minimum wage hike and no extension of long term unemployment insurance and more cuts to food stamp program.
End Affordable Health Insurance Act and guarantee U.S. citizens continue to pay twice the rate the rest of the world pays.
Deregulate/end environmental standards to speed up the destruction of Texas first, and eventually the remainder of the planet.
Cut Social Security by looting the fund in order to pay off Fascist Wars for profit debt.
If you desire this......Paul Ryan/Tea Party roadmap to hell.. ...then by all means vote Teapublican in the upcoming midterms.
You may also ask...why in hell would anybody with a sound mind vote republican?...Turn on FOX , tune out reality, deny truth, and just sit there and eat donuts.
My husband thinks we should invade those countries/tax havens and get back the money that belongs to OUR ECONOMY. That money does NOT BELONG to those unpatriotic greedy creeps; it belongs to the American people who MADE that money, not to the few who TOOK the money and are hiding it "under the mattress."
Ken, just go to repealfatca.com/ and read the issues.
As far as electing law makers who work for the rest of us goes, good luck on getting politicians from either side of the political isle to exclusively work for us. Having said that, FACTA was voted into law on Mar. 18 2010, by the Democrats when they held the Senate and House. So it seems the Democrats do tend to favor laws that are good for all of us and not just the wealthy and the corporations. In any event, we all know the Dem.'s will continue to vote for their candidates and the Repub.'s will continue to do the same. From my prospective this law does a good job in preventing people from hiding profit income in foreign banks and institutions primarily by imposing a tax on any foreign financial institution that does not comply with this new law. The law does the following; (copied from the wpc website.) FATCA, which was enacted as part of the Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act of 2010, requires financial institutions to use enhanced due diligence procedures to identify US persons who have invested in either non-US financial accounts or non-US entities. The intent behind FATCA is to keep US persons from hiding income and assets overseas.
A foreign financial institution (FFI) could face significant consequences if it fails to enter into an agreement with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which is merely the first step; the ability to align all the key stakeholders, including operations, technology, risk, legal, and tax, will be paramount to successfully comply with FATCA. The institution would be subject to a 30% withholding tax on any “withholdable payment” made to its proprietary account for failing to comply with FATCA.
This appears to be a good law and I have yet to read anything that provides a logical reason why this law should be repealed. But I am without doubt that a Republican will come up with some type of reasoning that claims this law will hurt our economy or the wealthy/corporations will move to another country with less tax regulations. If anyone believes this, please give a reference where you viewed such information, so we can all read it. To me this law is a win/win for America. It will make tax cheaters pay their legal share of taxes and it could help stave off the cutting of domestic programs that help people in the middle class and the lower class on the income scale. K.W.
Be very suspicious when Thom quotes numbers and facts that come from the propaganda machine that is Think Progress. There is way more to this than just creating another wedge issue to demonize Rand Paul, Mike Lee and others.
Off topic:
The Presidential Commission on Election Administration report, issued yesterday, makes no mention of the problem with recounting machine voting results. One can only reprint the vote tallies which are subject to alteration by officials or by hacking. I had hoped for better. Paper ballots were good enough when I voted as a baby; it ought to be good enough now.
FACTA was a result of the UBS scandal. Oh, the US became an oligarchy in 2008. I think it's a Republican/Democratic party issue who are both controlled by the billionaires.
AIW -- This reply is talk about critical thinking being taughtl. However, I first would like to remind people, that according to what Thom has said, the average work day for native americans was 2 hours. That was before the mentally diseased Europeans arrived.
Now to critical thinking. IMO, I think you were taught critical thinking from kindergarden to the end of your formal education. I think you would believe the same thing if you were to compare the teachings in a fundamentalist religious school to how you were taught. I think the Texan repug party had fundamentalist Christian schools in mind when they entered that plank about no teaching of critical thinking.
ScottFromOz -- I agree with what you say. We need to do everything we can to reverse are slide into oligarchy. IMO, the best way to do that is to overload congress with dems. I say this because of the laws that Nancy P and Obama passed during the 13 weeks of his 5 years in office in which the dems controlled both houses. My favorite being card check since I think it has the most teeth which was actually passed by the house and filibustered by the senate during the other 247 weeks when the dems did not control the senate..
My point was there is hope no matter how dire it becomes. It seems that the more dire it becomes the more power the 99% gain.
Dweinstein says "Human progress should be defined as more leisure time and less materialism." And I say YES!
I am more concerned about resource wars and their aftermath, than the notion of human progress. The way it looks today, the oligarchs could care less about people, human progress and more about indebting the rest of us as serfs.
I think the real question should be does classwarfare lead to resource wars and impede human existence.
I believe we as a culture define human progress as better Ipads, TV sets, cars and wind turbines, all feats of modern engineering requiring complex supply chains provided by cheap carbon. None of our modern marvels can exist without fossil fuels. So, if you define human progress at the twentieth century price of a barrel oil, the buring of finite carbon which is analogous to millions of years of plant decay which was created a long ago by sunlight millions of years ago compacted into a barrel of oil at a set price below $100 per barrel than what good is your progress!
Thus the real question is are we fodder for resource wars or is the human condition something more important!
Sunlight, wind can be real human progress with less material goods dependent on finite resources. Human progress should be defined as more leisure time and less materialsim. I for one am tired of busting my butt to secure an existence that will never be fufilling, how about you?
*Info on Resource Wars: The Carter Doctrine was used in 1990 to justify the first Gulf War.Following the oil shocks in the 1970s, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger toldthe editors of Business Week that the United States was prepared to go to warover oil and that Washington would have no hesitation to use force “where there’s some actual strangulation of the industrialized world.” Klare (2001) argues that the Caspian Basin and the South China Sea are the most likely regions towitness large-scale warfare over oil in the future. War over water is another pressing issue in international politics. For example, in 1980 Boutros Boutros-Ghali commented that “The next war in our region will be over the waters of the Nile, not politics
Excellent article, Gary. Thanks.
Oops, I did it again! Sorry!
It's really odd how people who were lucky enough to get a pile of wealth always claim they worked hard for their money. I believe that is a "Kroc of sh!t" (pun intended). Of course, I no longer eat sh!t burgers (that's what I call them because of what's in them...what! you didn't know? where do you think the e-coli comes from?)
In many cases they don't even work as hard as the lowly peons sweating in the fields or the service people who sweep the floors. Many of these wealthy people were just lucky to have made the right decisions, investments perhaps, accepted a position perhaps, that led to opportunities that they took advantage of. They were just plain lucky! I think we can find at least a few examples where education sure didn't help them "get lucky". ;-}
And, by the way...don't overlook all of those acts of violence that occurred in our history. Nothing would have changed were it not for those downtrodden and exploited finally fighting back against those who were beating the crap out of them for daring to protest against their conditions.
It is no accident that the ruling elite propaganda machine tries to down play those historic acts of self defense and try to emphasize the icons of peace as the vehicle of change. They would much rather you go out and get your heads cracked open by the fascist police than for you to actually fight back. They want you to be like Gandhi and MLK and not like those who stand their ground and inflict as much pain as the bullies inflict upon them. That's why they, after these icons are dead, use them as models of the way they want us to act...non-violently...the thing that never really works unless it was coincidental with major acts of violence.
And the masses could very well overwhelm the few jackals that are dressed as jackbooted Nazis. And that's what they don't want us to know. Look what's happening in the Ukraine. Look what happened in Egypt and Libya. Look what happened in the French revolution, in the Iranian revolution, the Russian Revolution. The people amassed and violently overthrew their corrupt leaders.
It always starts out with people getting really fed up and taking to the streets in protest. Then the cops or company bullies are hired to crack heads of the protestors. Eventually, insurrections break out like at Matewan. This puts the exigency of realizing that the capitalist-industrial bullies and their toady politicians had to finally relent a bit.
The alternative is complete breakdown and potential mob violence against the criminal elite who stand to lose everything they have stolen. But now, they use the corrupt two-party ruse to keep hope alive always to be shot dead after their newly elected Democrat "savior" wins the election. They know that if they can keep fooling people with false hope they will continue to push us all into slavery all without having to fire a shot.
Palin, I concur.
Kend, bully for them. Most people in minimum wage jobs nowadays aren't getting a stepping stone; they're stuck in a trap with no exit. For you to use Mr. Walton as an example is patently absurd, since he owned the friggin' business. (HELLO) I can't give an answer regarding Jeff Bezos or Ray Kroc, who I know nothing about (altho Mr. Kroc's name seems vaguely familiar). But you are missing my point. I'm not saying any job is below anybody, as long as there is reasonable opportunity to improve one's lot in life and move up the socioeconomic totem pole. At this time, and in this country, those opportunities no longer exist. Social mobility is dead in the good ole USA.
When it comes to the issue of taxes, you conservatives remind me of five-year-olds throwing a massive hissy fit whenever they're told to share anything: "Waah! That's mine!" It's about being an adult, Kend, and paying your fair share for infrastrastructure we all use. As Thom keeps pointing out, the wealthier one is, the more that person uses the courts, the roads, airports, etc. So why shouldn't they pay more, then? These things all cost money. And shouldn't the amount of tax be based on a person's ability to pay?! My only problem with taxes is the unfairness of our tax system in this country, which routinely places the heaviest burden on those who can least afford it. Meanwhile approximately 25% of major, privately owned corporations pay no taxes at all; not to mention how much of our tax $$ gets sucked into the war machine, instead of going to things that are useful and actually benefit us. But you seem resentful about paying regardless of where the tax $$ goes, which is extremely shortsighted. And selfish. Anyone who owns as much property and stuff as you do has nothing to complain about, and frankly Kend, I don't give a damn how hard you worked for it. Time to grow up, put on your big-boy panties and stop whining. - Aliceinwonderland
Scott to me it doesn't matter whether it is Totalitarianism or Communism I don't won't the government controlling any money of mine. i earned it it is mine. I know some on this blog believe all of what the we earn is the governments and the government should decide how much they give me back but I believe it is all mine and I will decide how much I should give to the government.
@chuckle8 wrote "Things were much worse in the late 1800's and the early 1930's than they are now"
Agreed and fair point. However when things are heading south at a rapid rate of knots, what does it benefit us to say "things are not yet as bad as they once were"?
"Others see things as they are and ask 'Why?'. I see things as they could be and ask 'Why not?'"
Must we wait until our living standards and our wealth inequality are on a par with the poorest countries before we decide to do something about it? If we wait much longer will we be able to do anything about it? Short of some kind of overthrow of the plutocracy, are we able to do anything about it now?
Yes, things were worse in the 1800's and there was a kind of revolt against the robber barons, but the robber barons now have much more pervasive and sophisticated propaganda machines. Witness the power of the Murdoch media on uncritical individuals like Kend.
Even in the 70's we revolted against a government that had dragged us into an unjustified and unwinnable war. When W and Cheney dragged us into Iraq on false pretences, where were the protests? Where was the critical journalism to expose the lies and deceptions? The corporatised media can no longer be relied on to give us the critical scrutiny of the powerbrokers anymore. The media are now part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Over the past 30-odd years our political position has been shifted so far to the right it is barely distinguishable from Fascism. This is the role of the Tea Party. To be a party that is so far out in the extreme, they make the modern Republican party look moderate by comparison. They are anything but moderate.
Finally, every call for some form of moderation is met with responses like Kend's that "this is a move toward Communism" (where they mean Totalitarianism rather than actual Communism). In actual fact, the concentration of wealth and power has brought us closer to Totalitarianism than all but the worst of the dictatorships.
1.6 Billion DHS bullets can't be wrong.
Alice, Ray Kroc worked the floor at McDonalds when he started, Mr Walton greeted people coming into his first store, and Jeff Bezos stocked the first shelves at Amazon. It wasn't below them. It was a stepping stone.
what do you call tax increases. That is taking someone's god damn money. Isn't it?
those same fire dept. , infrastructure, law etc are delivered equally just the same in a capitalist system, health care ihas a way to go Down there but even in Socialist Canada it's not delivered Equally.
Kend says "We can have anything we want if we work for it." Tell that to the greeter at Walmart, or one of those warehouse workers for Amazon, or the guy at McDonald's. They CHOOSE to be poor; to work fulltime and still be poor. Right, Kend?
And where do you get this idea that any of us is interested in taking your goddam money? Or anyone else's money? Gimmie a break.
You said you didn't like the idea of everyone having the same healthcare, equating that with "communism". That sounds pretty lame, Kend. I happen to be a socialist at heart; I've no interest in living under a communist regime where all property is owned by the state. However nothing would make me happier than to live in a socialist system with this thing called the commons, which translates to non-profit, tax-supported infrastructure including the post office, fire department, utilities, schools, law enforcement, and a healthcare system that delivers the SAME quality of care to EVERYONE, rich or poor. Hallmarks of a civilized society. - AIW
List of members of the American Legislative Exchange Council http://bit.ly/L0zmws
Note: most on the board of directors and every other level are Republicans and most of the companies are big corporations... i.e., government by the corporation for the corporation ...with lobbyists accepting super PAC $ for legislated favors such as tax loopholes etc.
PS: ALEC almost all are Republicans & big corporations... https://twitter.com/RACmoveToAmend
Nice! Right on the money! Forgive the pun. Things will change and balance will come in time, I am glad I will be gone before the any real ugly outbursts..Worry for my grand kids however. Give Peace a Chance....(the Good Lennon)
Aliceinwonderland: You've got me laughing so hard that I can't even hunt and peck at my usual lame pace. No offense intended Kend!
I'll give it a shot though.....It's a fact, the rich getting richer has not created jobs, but it has created a small number of people who have become more powerful than their respective Democratic States/governments, so I agree, it is a global problem. We can call this growth of private power whatever we want.....oligarchy, plutocracy, corporatocracy...... or fascism, which is what many of us are calling it. I don't really care, it's still arbitrary power in the hands of scoundrels. It's government by and for the wealthy few and thus government against the working class many. The social contract has been blatantly violated, and we the people should not tolerate this any longer.
"Before this miserable system of wreckage has destroyed the life germ of respect and culture in our american people, let us save what was here, merely by having none too poor and none too rich, the theory of Share Our Wealth Society is to have enough for all, but not to have one with so much that less than enough remains for the balance of the people." Huey Long...Share Our Wealth Society.... 1932
Another quote by the Huester...."Always take the offensive-the defensive ain't worth a damn."
The Teapublicans and Fox News have done well with this offensive advice.... I say it's time for we progressives to go on a massive offense, and also demand it of our elected reps. I think the talking point that 85 out of control citizens, have as much wealth as half the worlds population......this because those same monied Fascists have political control of their governments.... is a good place to start.