I would be interested to know what concrete consequences Mr. Hartmann thinks there would be if there is no accountability, for any Bush era illegal actions, both short term and long term. Ive listened but i havent heard him elaborate on this issue.

The IDEAL Supreme Court, of course, Richard, would consist of NINE thoughtful centrists - and while appointing a "Liberal Lion" would move this court in the direction of a greater balance, it does not move us any closer to that ideal.

Yes, I do realize that this leaves me open to the arguement of the perfect becoming the enemy of the good. That's the unfortunate aspect of living in a world where gray exists.

Obama listed 'fair trade' as one of his foundational principles when running.

Thom,

Have you ever had (economic?) "forecaster Dr. William Halal" on your show? I would love to know what you think about his recent conversation with Lionel. He's predicting an economic boom by 2015:

http://airamerica.com/lionel/blog/2009/jul/09/will-next-economic-boom-be...

I tend to agree about Judge Sotomayor being a thoughtful individual who makes decisions about the law within the law AND my issue with the make up of SCOTUS is the appalling lack of a Liberal Lion on the Court. At present, SCOTUS is made-up of four recessivists, one right leaner and three middle centrists. President Obama is tossing in another centrist, a very able centrist to be sure, BUT still a centrist who displays a well-defined centrist nature.

My inner Edmund Burke is shouting at itself.

I agree with Boris31, the pretzel logic makes my head hurt too. It's unbelievable!

I thought Slumdog Millionaire was brilliant because the story line ironically interested our capitalist society and brought millions and millions of viewers to witness and empathize with the victims of sex trade.Slumdog Millionaire created more coverage of the chilhood sex trade and sex trade in general in countries around the world.

The very sad exploitation of the young actors occurred when the surreal world of Hollywood money and the movie-making process intersected with the economic conditions of the homeless actors. There should have been much more support for the actors and their families, who were basically used and then tossed aside after the movie was made. The paycheck was simply not enough support.

Artists often objectify the object of their art. Once they are done with them, all loyalties seem to disappear as well. There is something not quite right about that, especially when the finished piece of art takes on a huge life of its own and has so much power. That's another downside of capitalism, where profit and fame outweigh common-sense ethics.

As Mr. Hartmann stated last week, the arc of SCOTUS Chief Justice Roberts’ career has been about providing full personhood without limit on corporate entities. President Obama has nominated an arguably pro-corporatist to the bench. Our good recessivist friends in the Senate are vilifying this Nominee for not being a white, Anglo-Saxon male.

INQUIRY: Is it right for me to rally behind overt racism in the hope of America avoiding dissolution of human rights for flesh and blood humans?

SIDE NOTE INQUIRY: If corporations are persons, is dissolving a corporation murder/suicide?

INQUIRY: Am I being obtuse?

It seems to me that most of us, the lowly taxpayers, are really on the same "side" but don't seem to know it. We are ALL angry about what is happening to US and OUR COUNTRY. It's too bad we can't realize that we are fighting the same "enemy." That occurred to me when I was reading Frank Rich's op-ed piece in yesterday's NYTimes. Here's the excerpt that jumped out at me:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/opinion/12rich.html?em

She Broke the G.O.P. and Now She Owns It

"It’s more likely that she (Sarah Palin) will never get anywhere near the White House, and not just because of her own limitations. The Palinist “real America” is demographically doomed to keep shrinking. But the emotion it represents is disproportionately powerful for its numbers. It’s an anger that Palin enjoyed stoking during her “palling around with terrorists” crusade against Obama on the campaign trail. It’s an anger that’s curdled into self-martyrdom since Inauguration Day.

Its voice can be found in the postings at a Web site maintained by the fans of Mark Levin, the Obama hater who is, at this writing, the No.2 best-selling hardcover nonfiction writer in America. (Glenn Beck is No.1 in paperback nonfiction.) Politico surveyed them last week. “Bottomline, do you know of any way we can remove these idiots before this country goes down the crapper?” wrote one Levin fan. “I WILL HELP!!! Should I buy a gun?” Another called for a new American revolution, promising “there will be blood.”

These are the cries of a constituency that feels disenfranchised — by the powerful and the well-educated who gamed the housing bubble, by a news media it keeps being told is hateful, by the immigrants who have taken some of their jobs, by the African-American who has ended a white monopoly on the White House. Palin is their born avatar. She puts a happy, sexy face on ugly emotions, and she can solidify her followers’ hold on a G.O.P. that has no leaders with the guts or alternative vision to stand up to them or to her.

For a week now, critics in both parties have had a blast railing at Palin. It’s good sport. But just as the media muttering about those unseemly “controversies” rallied the fans of the King of Pop, so are Palin’s political obituaries likely to jump-start her lucrative afterlife."

Mark,

Yes, this DID happen before the official recession began. It started with Reagan and went on steroids with the greed and crimes in the last Bush administrations.

It looks as though Paul Krugman could almost have written his column with some of your comments in mind:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/opinion/13krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

Boiling the Frog

Is America on its way to becoming a boiled frog?

I’m referring, of course, to the proverbial frog that, placed in a pot of cold water that is gradually heated, never realizes the danger it’s in and is boiled alive. Real frogs will, in fact, jump out of the pot — but never mind. The hypothetical boiled frog is a useful metaphor for a very real problem: the difficulty of responding to disasters that creep up on you a bit at a time.

And creeping disasters are what we mostly face these days.

I started thinking about boiled frogs recently as I watched the depressing state of debate over both economic and environmental policy. These are both areas in which there is a substantial lag before policy actions have their full effect — a year or more in the case of the economy, decades in the case of the planet — yet in which it’s very hard to get people to do what it takes to head off a catastrophe foretold.

And right now, both the economic and the environmental frogs are sitting still while the water gets hotter.

Start with economics: last winter the economy was in acute crisis, with a replay of the Great Depression seeming all too possible. And there was a fairly strong policy response in the form of the Obama stimulus plan, even if that plan wasn’t as strong as some of us thought it should have been.

At this point, however, the acute crisis has given way to a much more insidious threat. Most economic forecasters now expect gross domestic product to start growing soon, if it hasn’t already. But all the signs point to a “jobless recovery”: on average, forecasters surveyed by The Wall Street Journal believe that the unemployment rate will keep rising into next year, and that it will be as high at the end of 2010 as it is now.

Now, it’s bad enough to be jobless for a few weeks; it’s much worse being unemployed for months or years. Yet that’s exactly what will happen to millions of Americans if the average forecast is right — which means that many of the unemployed will lose their savings, their homes and more.

To head off this outcome — and remember, this isn’t what economic Cassandras are saying; it’s the forecasting consensus — we’d need to get another round of fiscal stimulus under way very soon. But neither Congress nor, alas, the Obama administration is showing any inclination to act. Now that the free fall is over, all sense of urgency seems to have vanished.

This will probably change once the reality of the jobless recovery becomes all too apparent. But by then it will be too late to avoid a slow-motion human and social disaster.

Still, the boiled-frog problem on the economy is nothing compared with the problem of getting action on climate change.

Put it this way: if the consensus of the economic experts is grim, the consensus of the climate experts is utterly terrifying. At this point, the central forecast of leading climate models — not the worst-case scenario but the most likely outcome — is utter catastrophe, a rise in temperatures that will totally disrupt life as we know it, if we continue along our present path. How to head off that catastrophe should be the dominant policy issue of our time.

But it isn’t, because climate change is a creeping threat rather than an attention-grabbing crisis. The full dimensions of the catastrophe won’t be apparent for decades, perhaps generations. In fact, it will probably be many years before the upward trend in temperatures is so obvious to casual observers that it silences the skeptics. Unfortunately, if we wait to act until the climate crisis is that obvious, catastrophe will already have become inevitable.

And while a major environmental bill has passed the House, which was an amazing and inspiring political achievement, the bill fell well short of what the planet really needs — and despite this faces steep odds in the Senate.

What makes the apparent paralysis of policy especially alarming is that so little is happening when the political situation seems, on the surface, to be so favorable to action.

After all, supply-siders and climate-change-deniers no longer control the White House and key Congressional committees. Democrats have a popular president to lead them, a large majority in the House of Representatives and 60 votes in the Senate. And this isn’t the old Democratic majority, which was an awkward coalition between Northern liberals and Southern conservatives; this is, by historical standards, a relatively solid progressive bloc.

And let’s be clear: both the president and the party’s Congressional leadership understand the economic and environmental issues perfectly well. So if we can’t get action to head off disaster now, what would it take?

I don’t know the answer. And that’s why I keep thinking about boiling frogs.

Rasta -

What color is the sky on YOUR world, man?

It must be nice to live in a place where absolutely EVERYTHING is either a deep, dark black, or a pure-as-fresh-snowfall white. That kind of thinking certainly simplifies things - everyone either agrees with you 100%, or is wrong, and should be eliminated. Although your initial opinions differ greatly, I personally have trouble differentiating such a world view like yours from the one held by, say, Dick Cheney.

Unfortuneately (or perhaps NOT!) for me, my world includes, at the very least, 256 shades of gray.

As bad as the economy is now, it seems to me that it has been in slow-burn mode for some time. I was recently informed by two acquaintances at an athletic apparel and shoe company I formerly worked for that there was talk of bankruptcy, and then rumors of the company being bought out. I haven’t been able to confirm this, and my personal feelings about the situation are decidedly ambivalent in any case. When I was first employed at this company, it was good times: they had acquired a large account from a major shoe retailer, and had healthy business with a few other sporting goods chains. A second warehouse was leased for the following year, to be stocked with “healthy” quantities of every style and size shoe in the catalogue, with the promise of same-day shipping for every order received. But there was a catch: these “sales” were already in large part transactions made before September 11, 2001; while bulk shipments looked good on paper, how they looked on the account sheets was a mirage. Perhaps 9-11 created some initial consumer insecurity, but it couldn’t account for all of the long, drawn-out fall of sales for products there whose quality was just a good as the competitors, if not better.

It was like the phony money of a stock market bubble; what looked good on paper inevitably collapsed. The next year saw the second warehouse filled with tens of thousands of cases of shoes from bulk orders that had been abruptly canceled, followed by tens of thousands of unsold shoes, courtesy of an overly generous return policy that the larger competitors would never have agreed to. The “healthy” stock of every shoe turned out to be decidedly unhealthy. By the end of the year most of the large excess was sold-off—for a fraction of the wholesale cost—to some cut-rate distributor. The company still turned a profit, or so we were told, probably through some creative accounting. But sales went down every succeeding year; large accounts that were lost were replaced by smaller accounts, or small companies were acquired to make it appear the company was “growing,” but instead turned-out to be liabilities. After losing another major sporting goods chain account, a major retail chain account was acquired, except the financial terms of the deal insured that the company made almost no money from it. The competition was doing the same thing, but they were bigger and had more resources..

Inevitably, the company couldn’t do enough creative accounting to hide the fact that it was in the red. Someone had to be blamed. The “chief operating officer,” who I had first mistook for a refugee from a trailer park (her view of me was certainly from that perspective), had little to do save insinuate herself in the minutiae of warehouse operations, much to the annoyance of the warehouse manager. Since she couldn’t control him, she instigated his removal and brought in a man with no warehouse managerial experience, who she could control; whenever someone’s management “style” is “hands-on,” you know you’re in trouble. This move, based on a personality as well as a power clash, had little effect on sales, needless-to-say.. At the same time, major shipping companies like UPS and FedEx were losing revenue, so instead of charging a flat rate over a certain weight, they started charging by package dimension, regardless of weight. Customer complaints concerning shipping charges soon started rolling in, and in order to satisfy prima donna customers, ground rates were billed for air shipments, which obliged the company to eat the remaining cost—since it didn’t ship enough product to make it profitable for UPS or FedEx to offer a substantial cut-rate charge. More and more product had to be sold at or below wholesale just to keep sales going; “fire sales” became more and more common. Paranoia and fear took hold every time a meeting was called, “only” to be told hours were going to be cut, as well as cuts in benefits with greater out-of-pocket expenses. The company was still “healthy,” we were told. But inevitably employees were let-go, mainly the people who occupied the “downstairs.” I feel fortunate now that I was one of them.

The point of this story, I think, is that this occurred well before the “official” recession began. During the Bush years, we were told that the “fundamentals” of the economy was “strong”; yet here on the ground, it seemed like the economy was clearly weak. The rising stock markets suggested that all was well, yet from what I could tell, it was always a “recession.”