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http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=97206
Here is another BOHICA moment.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Health-Care-Deceit-by-Paul-Craig-Ro...
listening to david horowitz i felt sorry for him. he sounded like like a scared angry man
listening to thoms debate with david horowitz made me proud to be a progressive to david it seem everything in the world must be feared. its like the right will do anything to have an enemy to fight. by listening to david i heard a scared angry man. what is most important is the peoples life condition. it is how we think our words and actions. i feel total freedom in my life with no fears. for i am in control of my life with the understanding that all life is interconnected.
If the people of the United States really want a Tax Payer supported Health care system then they will vote in the next election to increase the Democratic majority in the Senate and the House.
If we want the banking system to collapse again then elect more republicans, if we want to keep giving our tax money to the wealthy insurance CEOs and their executives then elect more republicans, if we want more of our manufacturing job to be exported to other countries then elect more republicans, if we want Americans to hate American elect more republicans, if we want Americans killing other Americans because they believe in a women’s choice then elect more republicans, if you want Americans killing other Americans because of they have darker skin pigmentation then elect more republican, if you want Americans killing Americans because they worship as Muslim then elect more republicans, if you want Americans that turn their backs on those Americans the need health care but cannot get care because they can not pay for it due to preexisting health issues then elect more republicans and if you want another civil war that will kill other Americans then elect more republican.
The march this weekend in Washington showed that only the Americans that want to find ways to hate other Americans participated in that rally. There was not a cross section of Americans at that rally. Where were the Asian Americans, the Native Americans, the American that have dark pigmentation of their skin, the American the speak Spanish with dark pigmentation of their skins, the Persian Americans, the Arab Americans and so now. Most of the American people where not represented at this rally. How can anyone believe that this rally represents what most American want?
If the people of the United States do not want Tax supported health care system to be off the table then we need to keep supporting this president and vote for more people that do want single payer health care. If we do not get it in this congress then we have to work to get the people in office in the next congress. Our representatives do not tell us what is or what is not on the table. We need to keep working to get people that will represent us and remove the representative that are democrats that only are democrats in name only. If we democrats do not vote for real democrats then we are just as weepy as the democrats that we elect.
I also had to compliment Thom because his segment about the GDP tied to the horror of mountaintop removal was one of the most powerful segments I've ever heard. I always and learn so very much but especially that section should be "youtubed" and sent around. I need to learn to "youtube."
Oh yeah and Thom
Kaiser is UnitedHealth Group.
Straight from the belly of the beast..
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=55802
As I listened to David Horowitz, I felt he was incoherent and he rambled all over the place.
When I first heard Horowitz several years ago, he seemed to make some sense. After a brief period and time he made little sense and I started to disagree with his thinking.
Today, he, like other reichwingers, seem to be losing it. We are a divided nation and that division will not heal until we join the International Criminal Court at The Hague, Netherlands but that will never happen because our elected policians are too embedded in corruption and lies.
I have issues with Obama but I focus on the issues and not his skin color. Too many Americans are racists and that will never change.
People, please come to grips with the fact that America is changing!!! Here are two trends that will not change in America. WHITEY, LIKE ME, WILL BE IN THE MINORITY BY 2025 but most definitely by 2040. THE ISLAM RELIGION WILL BE THE MAJORITY RELIGION BY 2070 OR 2080.
Oh Thom I must correct you. You need to do your homework on Kaiser. Kaiser, first of all, is as expensive as the rest and denies just as freely with the same catastrophic results that we hear from broken people that are victims of other Medical Insurers.
Kaiser, however, may be the worst of all. You want to talk about who is in bed with who. Well guess who Kaiser is in bed with every single second of every single day. Themselves.
Yes Kaiser is the same Kaiser that brought you Kaiser Aluminum and Kaiser Steel, coal and many more. Kaiser mines and Kaiser Permanente are the same people. While they are running a medical industry with one hand they are running working superfund sites that are employment sites and handling, maybe, hundreds of thousands of law suits pertaining to Toxic poisoning of residents and others.
I call Kaiser the Toxic Trinity: EMPLOYER that holds the finger on the button of employee's health care, 2. POLLUTER and owner of Superfund sites across America, polluting neighborhood , water, and their own, as well as others work sites. 3. HEALTH CARE PROVIDER who can freely deny members tests and treatments, price members out, and cancels policies.
Yeah, if I was a major polluter I might want to be in the health care business. You might want to consult Erin Brockovich about how that works.
Start here for facts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_J._Kaiser
http://www.theledger.com/article/20090321/news/903215038?Title=No-Answer...
http://www2.fluoridealert.org/Pollution/Aluminum-Industry/Kaiser-agrees-...
These are just a handy few. The suffering is mind boggling. Please insert POLLUTER into your health care politics paradigm.
PS I liked that guy that read on the air today. He said it right. He sat down so he would get it all said correctly. I think you should have let him go for a while. The current health care reform on the table is just a wider net for a welfare program that currently exists. And People on welfare absolutely lose all their rights to property. It's better than dying but it costs everything just the same. You have to liquidate everything you have to qualify and be left with nothing once you recover and nothing for your kids if you don't. It still maintains the old shift of wealth the Republican demand from every government dollar. I would say that the way health care is run now is the direct cause of the unprecedented shift of wealth seen over the last decade and last few years particularly.
Please stop inviting David Horowitz on the show. All he does is shout and demean the progressive position. He doesn't add to the show and only brings hate. I really enjoy it when Thom debates with the cons but DH doesn't debate, he just shouts.
Quark,
I don't have time to answer your questions right now. I might be able to help you with some investigative techniques for you to test your theory. Money support and tracing it is difficult but not impossible. It takes time and patience AND GOOGLE.
I will be more specific later. My work on Jungbauer mirrors this. Your interests and concerns about our Climate Crisis are shared by me. This is one reason why I keep playing "Javert" to Jungbauer's "Jean val Jean". He considers himself one of the leading experts in America on climate. He has stated so in public on the record. He is a fraud. Pawlenty isn't as stupid but is as slippery in my book.
Loretta,
Your words of kindness are always healing... thank you.
I very much appreciated hearing Bobby Kennedy speak about the crazy inhumanity of using the GDP to rationalize immoral actions. Economics is very confusing so it can steer us off course if we let it. I will listen to Bobby Kennedy's words many times.
Quark,
I'm guilty too. Thinking of the pleasure of growing basil in winter, but I doubt Thom's pissed at us. We are working hard and trying to fight to stop global warming. the humor we need once in awhile to keep ourselves from going crazy is probably pretty innocent. Dark humor helps us get through dark times. I think he is speaking more about folks who are using the "benefits" of global warming to justify not trying to change it.
And if he is irritated at us, he'll survive:-)
We're human and doing the best we can.
Redemonizing Judas: Gospel Fiction or Gospel Truth?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-eisenman/redemonizing-judas-gospel_...
Republicans always use to use the 'incentive argument' to promote pure unregulated capitalism. Well...what incentives are there with unregulated capitalism and privatized prisons and health care?- yup- there is an incentive to keep you in jail and keep you sick.
THX Quark- your comment made me look at the other posts and I played River Wolfes link - its HYSTERICAL
THOM PLEASE PLAY THIS ON AIR WE'RE NUMBER 37 ROCK AND ROLL VIDEO THAT ENCAPSULATES THIS WHOLE HEALTH CARE HITLER DEBATE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4
LETS GET THIS OUT, ALREADY 90,000 LISTENERS
Why Obama Isn't Breaking Up the Insolvent Banks
Top economists and financial experts believe that the economy cannot recover unless the big, insolvent banks are broken up in an orderly fashion.
There is no logical reason not to break them up.
So why isn't the Obama administration doing so?
For all of the wrong reasons:
Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz said yesterday that the U.S. government is wary of challenging the financial industry because it is politically difficult, and that he hopes the Group of 20 leaders will cajole the U.S. into tougher action
Economic historian Niall Ferguson asks:
Guess which institutions are among the biggest lobbyists and campaign-finance contributors? Surprise! None other than the TBTFs [too big to fails].
Manhattan Institute senior fellow Nicole Gelinas agrees:
The too-big-to-fail financial industry has been good to elected officials and former elected officials of both parties over its 25-year life span
Investment analyst and financial writer Yves Smith says:
Major financial players [have gained] control over the all-important over-the-counter debt markets...
It is pretty hard to regulate someone who has a knife at your throat.
William K. Black - the senior regulator during the S&L crisis, and an Associate Professor of both Economics and Law at the University of Missouri - says:
There has been no honest examination of the crisis because it would embarrass C.E.O.s and politicians . . .
Instead, the Treasury and the Fed are urging us not to examine the crisis and to believe that all will soon be well. There have been no prosecutions of the chief executives of the large nonprime lenders that would expose the “epidemic” of fraudulent mortgage lending that drove the crisis. There has been no accountability...
The Obama administration and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke have refused to investigate the nature and causes of the crisis. And the administration selected Timothy Geithner, who with then Treasury Secretary Paulson bungled the bailout of A.I.G. and other favored “too big to fail” institutions, to head up Treasury.
Now Lawrence Summers, head of the White House National Economic Council, and Mr. Geithner argue that no fundamental change in finance is needed. They want to recreate a secondary market in the subprime mortgages that caused trillions of dollars of losses.
Traditional neo-classical economic theory, particularly “modern finance theory,” has been proven false but economists have failed to replace it. No fundamental reform can be passed when the proponents are pretending that there really is no crisis or need for change.
Harvard professor of government Jeffry A. Frieden says:
Regulatory agencies are often sympathetic to the industries they regulate. This pattern is so well known among scholars that it has a name: “regulatory capture.” This effect can be due to the political influence of the industry on its regulators; or to the fact that the regulators spend so much time with their charges that they come to accept their world view; or to the prospect of lucrative private-sector jobs when regulators retire or resign.
Economic consultant Edward Harrison agrees:
Regulating Wall Street has become difficult in large part because of regulatory capture.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/
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River Wolfe and Food Fascists,
Loved your posts and will send the info. on!
Gross National Product
Too much and too long we seem to have surrendered community excellence and community values to the mere accumulation of material things…Our gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education, or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country; it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worth while. And it can tell us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans.
Robert Kennedy
University of Kansas
March 18, 1967
http://bobby-kennedy.com/rfkspeeches.htm
Thinkiing about ALL the things that are WRONG and ALL the reasons for which people are being told to contact congress, I keep thinking: We HAD an election (2 balance-changing ones.) It's time for the people we elected to use THEIR spines and brains!!!
I could be screeming all the time... (and am!)
Debtor's revolt !
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/debtors-revolt-woman-refu_n_285...
This morning, Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren, chair of the congressional oversight panel on the bail-out, said, in effect, we're screwed UNLESS Americans contact Congress:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_meeting#32840069