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i was walking downtown chicago a lady walking with a book .i asked what she was reading it was a bout fdr and elanore. i'mtry to listen on the internet but today on wcpt. everything you are saying about the middle class ... must be brought up to the middle class and poor in the south. they must understand that the right is not concern about making a middle class. thom your last name fits you. peace
"The word 'We' implies that this is a communal document . . . Not a happy handjob for those who happily sacrifice other folk on the alter of Individualism." -- Richard Adlof.
I'm gonna take the conservative approach to assert my concurrence of that point. Let's use the book conservatives always use and that Libertarians sometimes use: the Bible. Consider the the earliest book of the Bible, Genesis. When God created Adam, He realized that he could not live as a lone individual. Man, from this earliest moment was meant to be a social creature. And so, Eve was created as a companion. And so it is with every sexually reproductive creature. We are creatures that form societies. And in societies you must have rules to maintain order. The nature of rules is that they infringe on individual freedom to promote the good of the community. That's why killing is wrong. Otherwise murder would just be considered an "extreme form of individual expression of dissent" rather than a "crime endangering the safety of the community". And speaking of murder . . .
Richard
Very well said.
Re; points #8 & 9
Many believe the "revisionist" history that we are a Christian nation. The fact is that many of our founding fathers were Deist.
1. Equality,
2. Life,
3. Liberty,
4. Pursuit of Happiness,
5. Safety,
6. Happiness,
7. Government by the people’s consent,
8. Government NOT by the purported will of any deity,
9. Government NOT by the divine will of the socio-economic elite, and
10. The reserved right to change/reframe government if it fails to support and protect the people
Are ALL rights; not entitlements. Calling rights “entitlements” belittles them and pretends that they are bestowed by another’s benevolence instead of being owned outright. We, the People, are owed the defense of these things. We, the People, must defend these things. Government is our tool to do so.
Re: Statues of Limitations Voter Registration Fraud
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/ann-coulter-under-investi_n_165...
Brad Friedman of BradBlog.com reports that Coulter was never actually cleared; the Florida Election Commission dropped the case after deciding that the two-year statute of limitations had run out.
John Galt is the delusional ranting of the insane sociopath, Ayn Rand.
Milton Friedman got it exactly backward ass.
Howard Zinn is a recessivist revisionist; not a historian.
alter = altar
The opening paragraph of the Declaration of Independence in context:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its power in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness."
The word "We" implies that this is a communal document . . . Not a happy handjob for those who happily sacrifice other folk on the alter of Individualism.
"And so when you look at the American Revolution, you have to look at it in terms of class."
"What about class divisions?
Did ordinary white farmers have the same interest in the revolution as a John Hancock or Morris or Madison or Jefferson or the slaveholders or the bondholders? Not really."
Untold Truths About the American Revolution
By Howard Zinn, July 3, 2009
http://www.progressive.org/zinn070309.html
OMG! I just heard the seven largest health insurers are forced to divert $1,400,000.00 DAILY from avoiding paying for services of their insured to subvert/block even the possibility of a public option.
Think about it . . . Shame on the sick and poor for being so selfish. Aren’t there a 140 people a day that are willing forgo their chemotherapy treatments and do their patriotic duty to offset/support the cost lobbying?
For those of you keeping score, the health insurers still have to skim billions of dollars off of services for their insured to maintain ANNUAL executive compensation packages. Oh, the plight of the poor insurance companies! How will they survive if they can not buy off our elected officials?
Thank you, Max Baucus for doing god’s work . . .
RE Waxman's reasoning re the cheapest way to meet the reductions of greenhouse gases (ghg) we are trying to achieve- seem realistic to me. As a scientist gone company representative, I had to work to keep companies, quarries, construction-development companies, farmers in compliance. More often than not, when educated on environmental matters, these persons, when given realistic education on the matters and purpose as in jobs to resolve these matters, they climbed on board better than if having simply be told they had to - like parents who yell at their children giving no reason for why they must. Often, they became better environmentalists than the environmentalists themselves. Common goals allowed them to develop even better ways to achieve that goal, once they were on board and convinced the goal was not just a scheme to control them. Hats off to Henry W !
Patriotism and the Fourth of July
By Howard Zinn
AlterNet
Tuesday 04 July 2006
"The Declaration of Independence is the fundamental document of democracy. It says governments are artificial creations, established by the people, "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," and charged by the people to ensure the equal right of all to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Furthermore, as the Declaration says, "whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it." It is the country that is primary-the people, the ideals of the sanctity of human life and the promotion of liberty..."
http://www.truthout.org/article/howard-zinn-patriotism-and-fourth-july
DRichards,
I see what you're saying. However, I do think what the government does is the key. With a country as big as ours, it's probably not possible to have a small government. (Some argue that the country is too big to govern effectively. The demographics are too diverse and the population is too hard to deal with.)
Somehow, we need to throw off the yoke of the oligarchs and the corporations.
It seems to me that both parties, Democrat and Republican, love big government (as do the corporations that fund them). I am not so sure that small government is such a bad thing. Perhaps we need to get back to small government & small business. Big government, like big business becomes horribly inefficient, and the lack of competition means that quality & service suffer. The problem appears to be that our government has become a government of we, the corporations (wealth) instead of we, the people.
Thom,
It seems to me that much more unrest and anxiety are being created now by impoverishing the middle class. The term "wage slave" literally applies to life for us today.
Don't the oligarchs see that this is not good for society, either? (I think progressive Dems. should pass legislation enticing French farmers to move here. They could set the example for protests the (former) middle class SHOULD be doing!) (Yes, I know this isn't logical --- just kidding. I just wish there was a way to jump-start citizen blow-back short of extremely dire circumstances.)
DRichards,
Re: The Wall Street White House
By ANDREW COCKBURN
This stuff makes me think that the same forces who gave us George Bush decided to give us something most of us find more palatable in Barack Obama. The point is, it's the same forces behind the "crown."
Mark,
You mentioned that Carie Lukas cited expensive machine's contribution to our high cost of health care. This is the same argument conservative columnist George Will made in a Washington Post op-ed last week. It's not true.
I wrote a letter to the editor, that The Post published Friday called "Look Abroad for Answers on Health Care". In it, I pointed out something I learned from a FRONTLINE special "Sick Around the World":
The Japanese go to the doctor 3X as often as Americans, have more then 2X as many MRI scans, use more drugs, and have longer hospital visits. Yet, they spend half as much on health care. Clearly we're are not spending more because of any technological superiority - the Japanes boast better health related statistics as well. No, no, Japan's secret is that it is against the law for insurers to take home a profit. I also pointed out in my article that (according to the FRONTLINE report) this is also true for the highly capitalist country of Switzerland. Unfortunately the Washington Post decided to omit that sentence prior to publication.
Don't let anyone tell you we are paying more for health care in America because of costly technological advances. It's only half the story.
Here is the synopsis of the PBS FRONTLINE report:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/etc/synopsis....
His name should be David Booze- for drinking too much!
Yeah, and who paid for Bill Gates work force.
lol - love this Why do you hate the middle class? No kidding! Call each financial grab element what you will, at the end of my money - there is more month to pay for! Looking forward to Waxman on the Waxman Markey Bill and Bill Ayers- in fact, am re scheduling my day because of this announcement at the beginning of the show.
You know, the republicans are so out to lunch, it is getting tiresome even listening to them. Frankly, since the Democrats cannot get along or agree on anything anyway, the debates between them can be much more interesting! Though, I am grateful to go over these exercises to sharpen our memories and of course those new listeners for whom each of us should be marketing this vital broadcast and podcasts to daily. Love the history lessons.
Ah, the Libertarian. "What's mine is mine and (unless you've got a bigger gun) what's yours is mine.
None of these comments address the libertarian view of the world, which is ego-centric and makes no allowances for illness or circumstances beyond one's control. I do listen to and watch right-wingers (how else to know the enemy?) and when Ron Paul was on Glenn Beck's TV show, they had the following exchange: Beck said that a real libertarian, when confronted by a homeless person laying on the street, would merely step over him and keep on walking--and Ron Paul agreed. According to the libertarians, everything is your fault, even if it isn't.
How Goldman Sachs and Citi Run the Show
The Wall Street White House
By ANDREW COCKBURN
Robert Hormats, Vice Chairman of Goldman Sachs, is to be installed as Under Secretary of Economics, Business, and Agricultural Affairs. This comes as one more, probably unnecessary reminder of the total control exercised by Wall Street over the Obama administration’s economic and financial policy...
http://counterpunch.org/andrew07022009.html
A Covenant With Death
“Many of the people who attend this year's God and Country Festival will arrive at the event in SUVs whose stereos resound with talk radio harangues denouncing the expansion of the welfare state under Obama. Yet those same people are blind to the ironic fact that the government institution they uncritically adore, the United States Military, has been the greatest factor in the growth of the welfare state.”
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/07/covenant-with-death.html
I have an epitaph for for Robert MacNamara it is from Henry V:
But if the cause be not good, the King himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopp'd off in a battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all,"We died at such a place"; some swearing, some crying for a surgeon, some upon their children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything, when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it;
May he burn in hell
The son of a Vietnam veteran