Evil is basically selfish action taken when the person has an obligation to act for someone else's benefit. And because members of government are always supposed to act (at their jobs) on behalf of their constituents, the possibilties for evil are constant. Which brings me to an idea I had a while ago. The book Freakonomics says the way to get people to behave appropriately is to set up just the right incentives. There is a law that requires former members of Congress to wait at least a year before they become lobbyists. This got 4-term senator Trent Lott to resign before the law went into effect. But what if the waiting period were proportional to the time served in Congress? That would give incentive for the more-selfish legislators to quit as soon as possible, whereas now there's no rush, because the waiting period isn't getting any longer for people already in Congress.
what is evil ?is evil an individual that does not have the wisdom to perceive his own life an individual that can not see the interconnection of all life .is evil greed anger and folly.
if we do not hold the bush administration accountable nothing will change in this nation. the rule of law must be upheld to everyone in society. this time in our history is very critical that we hold them accountable. if we truly want to create a peace world we must have the courage to face are mistakes.
The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was just starting to point out that what we really have in this country is class discrimination. This was his "message" 41 years ago when he went to Memphis, TN to march in favor of the sanitation workers. Certain political elements in America couldn't deal with that. We're STILL dealing with that.
Reagan's war on education focused on Humanities, like Classical Economics and History and Government and Rhetoric and Argumentation and the other Social Sciences.
Of course, the average American has no farging idea what in South Dakota (spelled H-E-double hockey-sticks) SOCIALISM is.
In response to the husband of the wife who had her hip replacement surgery done in ten days, I want to say that there is nothing new about surgeons who want to move quickly on surgeries that may not be needed. Her surgery may very well have been justified, but speedy surgeries don’t necessarily mean better care is being provided. It may have been irresponsible for the surgeon to provide a hip replacement so quickly.
I had a yoga/massage practice and I saved one of my clients from hip replacement surgery that Docs wanted to move on very quickly. I discovered her pain was coming not from her hip but from low back issues that was referring pain to her hip from unbalanced musculature. By helping her to strengthen and stretch pelvic and low back muscles, she didn’t need a hip replacement, but that took a bit of time to do. A speedy hip replacement would have prevented her from finding the real source of their pain.
Of course the caller's wife's surgery was probably helpful, but depending on insurance companies, surgeons often are indeed knife-happy. I was constantly having to say "Wait don’t let him talk you into surgery before you go and see this very good physical therapist, or until you try these exercises first." Surgeons make so much more money from procedures, rather than healing care at times. My client’s treatment cost the insurance company $200 rather than $20,000, although she had to be very disciplined about doing home care.
Reducing costs means more preventative care that might hopefully include more quality instruction in self-care from very good PT's, not just the knife-happy surgeons and the glorified gym operations that we see in many physical therapist's offices today.
In Portland, Oregon, Stewart Stark and Julie Gudmestead are two very gifted PTs who have genius knowledge of kinesiology and how tiny problems in muscle balance affect joints. They use their hands, not just machines to heal you! Stewart Stark is a respected expert on hip issues, too!
Gotta disagree with Thom! We all do everything in our own self-interest all the time... even if it doesn't look like it. We do a "good deed" because it makes us feel good about ourselves. Parents take care of their children, make sacrifices for them even, because it gives them self-esteem about themselves and within society. We do things that we don't want to do because we know -- we've learned from experience -- that when they're done we'll feel good about it.
on 60 minutes they had a segment about this organization of doctors dentist eye doctor that go around the nation giving free health care.. in this segment was in a rural area. some the people had to be turn away. the people where poor whites. i just want the poor white class to understand that by holding racist ideas and embracing the republicans will do nothing but hurt you. as a nation it is not a problem of race but class
Re: … and I’m sure that Scarborough’s reaction to that went something like -
“Ummmm - whut?”
Well, I sent the message around the time of a commercial break on the show. I noticed that, after the break, Joe and Mika seemed a little less hubristic. But that could just have been wishful thinking...LOL
You comment reminded me of an email I sent to Joe Scarborough on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" this a.m.:
'Many months ago, celebrated SMU economist Ravi Batra said the worst of this economic pain could be avoided by giving workers a liveable wage. (Consumer spending is the DEMAND in a demand economy!) Considering that increases in workers' wages have been deliberately replaced by a planned system of DEBT (devised by Greenspan and others 30 years ago), the DEMAND part of this economy is TAPPED OUT, with no meaningful adjustment or help in sight. Culprits also include (among others) Ronald Reagan, Ayn Rand, the national chamber of commerce and trickle-down right-wing Republicans who support the rule by oligarchs-only principle of government. It is undemocratic and anathema to the original vision of our founding fathers, who did NOT want to create a country ruled by "economic royalists." '
It is commonly understood among economists that jobs are usually among the LAST indicators of economic conditions. This means that significant decreases in the unemployment numbers simply CANNOT be expected until MUCH LATER ON in the recovery cycle.
This is also true in a downturn - job losses don't start to become a major social issue until most of the other indicators are already in the toilet.
Another thing we NEVER hear from the "Obama's stimulus plan just ain't a-workin' " crowd is that only about 10% of the federal stimulus money has been distributed to date. Much of the money that has been distributed went to State Governments, who were supposed to use it for Medicaid payments and for those famous "Shovel-Ready" Infrastructure projects. However, many Red-State and Blue-Dog Governors have, instead, used the money to cancel outstanding state debt. Infrastructure projects DO create jobs - paying off old debts isn't necesarily a bad thing, but they don't create a single job!
to my white middle class and poor brothers and sisters that are republicans ,the republican party does nothing but play on your fears. the gop is nothing but a tool for corporations. they don't give a shit about the middle class and poor.
As surely as "good" exists, as long as there are people doing bad things for nefarious reasons, we will always have "evil".
"Good" and "Evil" are two sides of the same coin. How would you define "Up" if "Down" didn't exist? How would you define "Left" if "Right" didn't exist?
If you don't have "evil", you can't have "good". If "good" exists, then "evil" exists every bit as much.
Thanks for the French news story, Thom. If we can't import French farmers to head our resistence groups, at least we can hear about French workers standing up for their rights!
Thom - I've been a listener since the IE America days. I appreciate and admire what you're attempting to do by confronting right wing guests, but sometimes it gets to be too much. They make me too angry knowing that they are spending every second of their lives working towards ends that make my life, the lives of my family and of those in my community harder. Everything they advocate equals either myself or someone I care about having to struggle more or work harder just to survive.
So it gets to a point where I have to turn you off during these segments. I can't listen to them anymore, it makes me too angry.
Evil is basically selfish action taken when the person has an obligation to act for someone else's benefit. And because members of government are always supposed to act (at their jobs) on behalf of their constituents, the possibilties for evil are constant. Which brings me to an idea I had a while ago. The book Freakonomics says the way to get people to behave appropriately is to set up just the right incentives. There is a law that requires former members of Congress to wait at least a year before they become lobbyists. This got 4-term senator Trent Lott to resign before the law went into effect. But what if the waiting period were proportional to the time served in Congress? That would give incentive for the more-selfish legislators to quit as soon as possible, whereas now there's no rush, because the waiting period isn't getting any longer for people already in Congress.
what is evil ?is evil an individual that does not have the wisdom to perceive his own life an individual that can not see the interconnection of all life .is evil greed anger and folly.
What is evil?
This is evil:
http://www.kinderkreistv.com
if we do not hold the bush administration accountable nothing will change in this nation. the rule of law must be upheld to everyone in society. this time in our history is very critical that we hold them accountable. if we truly want to create a peace world we must have the courage to face are mistakes.
"Certain political elements in America couldn’t deal with that. We’re STILL dealing with that." (Too vague.)
I should have said , "We're STILL trying to bring the truth out."
brian a. hayes,
The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was just starting to point out that what we really have in this country is class discrimination. This was his "message" 41 years ago when he went to Memphis, TN to march in favor of the sanitation workers. Certain political elements in America couldn't deal with that. We're STILL dealing with that.
Reagan's war on education focused on Humanities, like Classical Economics and History and Government and Rhetoric and Argumentation and the other Social Sciences.
Of course, the average American has no farging idea what in South Dakota (spelled H-E-double hockey-sticks) SOCIALISM is.
In response to the husband of the wife who had her hip replacement surgery done in ten days, I want to say that there is nothing new about surgeons who want to move quickly on surgeries that may not be needed. Her surgery may very well have been justified, but speedy surgeries don’t necessarily mean better care is being provided. It may have been irresponsible for the surgeon to provide a hip replacement so quickly.
I had a yoga/massage practice and I saved one of my clients from hip replacement surgery that Docs wanted to move on very quickly. I discovered her pain was coming not from her hip but from low back issues that was referring pain to her hip from unbalanced musculature. By helping her to strengthen and stretch pelvic and low back muscles, she didn’t need a hip replacement, but that took a bit of time to do. A speedy hip replacement would have prevented her from finding the real source of their pain.
Of course the caller's wife's surgery was probably helpful, but depending on insurance companies, surgeons often are indeed knife-happy. I was constantly having to say "Wait don’t let him talk you into surgery before you go and see this very good physical therapist, or until you try these exercises first." Surgeons make so much more money from procedures, rather than healing care at times. My client’s treatment cost the insurance company $200 rather than $20,000, although she had to be very disciplined about doing home care.
Reducing costs means more preventative care that might hopefully include more quality instruction in self-care from very good PT's, not just the knife-happy surgeons and the glorified gym operations that we see in many physical therapist's offices today.
In Portland, Oregon, Stewart Stark and Julie Gudmestead are two very gifted PTs who have genius knowledge of kinesiology and how tiny problems in muscle balance affect joints. They use their hands, not just machines to heal you! Stewart Stark is a respected expert on hip issues, too!
Gotta disagree with Thom! We all do everything in our own self-interest all the time... even if it doesn't look like it. We do a "good deed" because it makes us feel good about ourselves. Parents take care of their children, make sacrifices for them even, because it gives them self-esteem about themselves and within society. We do things that we don't want to do because we know -- we've learned from experience -- that when they're done we'll feel good about it.
on 60 minutes they had a segment about this organization of doctors dentist eye doctor that go around the nation giving free health care.. in this segment was in a rural area. some the people had to be turn away. the people where poor whites. i just want the poor white class to understand that by holding racist ideas and embracing the republicans will do nothing but hurt you. as a nation it is not a problem of race but class
mstaggerlee,
Re: … and I’m sure that Scarborough’s reaction to that went something like -
“Ummmm - whut?”
Well, I sent the message around the time of a commercial break on the show. I noticed that, after the break, Joe and Mika seemed a little less hubristic. But that could just have been wishful thinking...LOL
Quark -
... and I'm sure that Scarborough's reaction to that went something like -
"Ummmm - whut?"
:)
West,
Maybe Thom could sell bumper stickers on his website:
"Tag --- You're it!"
Thom,
Two bumper stickers I would like to see that relate to several of your topics:
"DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ON BOARD"
"TAX HERE, TAX NOW!"
We need to take back the term. You know, "I was socialist before socialist was cool."
Keep it up!
West
mstaggerlee,
You comment reminded me of an email I sent to Joe Scarborough on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" this a.m.:
'Many months ago, celebrated SMU economist Ravi Batra said the worst of this economic pain could be avoided by giving workers a liveable wage. (Consumer spending is the DEMAND in a demand economy!) Considering that increases in workers' wages have been deliberately replaced by a planned system of DEBT (devised by Greenspan and others 30 years ago), the DEMAND part of this economy is TAPPED OUT, with no meaningful adjustment or help in sight. Culprits also include (among others) Ronald Reagan, Ayn Rand, the national chamber of commerce and trickle-down right-wing Republicans who support the rule by oligarchs-only principle of government. It is undemocratic and anathema to the original vision of our founding fathers, who did NOT want to create a country ruled by "economic royalists." '
It is commonly understood among economists that jobs are usually among the LAST indicators of economic conditions. This means that significant decreases in the unemployment numbers simply CANNOT be expected until MUCH LATER ON in the recovery cycle.
This is also true in a downturn - job losses don't start to become a major social issue until most of the other indicators are already in the toilet.
Another thing we NEVER hear from the "Obama's stimulus plan just ain't a-workin' " crowd is that only about 10% of the federal stimulus money has been distributed to date. Much of the money that has been distributed went to State Governments, who were supposed to use it for Medicaid payments and for those famous "Shovel-Ready" Infrastructure projects. However, many Red-State and Blue-Dog Governors have, instead, used the money to cancel outstanding state debt. Infrastructure projects DO create jobs - paying off old debts isn't necesarily a bad thing, but they don't create a single job!
Mugsy,
I also define "evil" as Dick Cheney. LOL
Mugsy,
I define "evil" and "sin" as anything one does to DELIBERATELY HURT another human being.
If people only HELPED other human beings we wouldn't need the word "good" in this context.
And George Orwell said, "there are some men more evil than others...."
to my white middle class and poor brothers and sisters that are republicans ,the republican party does nothing but play on your fears. the gop is nothing but a tool for corporations. they don't give a shit about the middle class and poor.
Yes Virgina, "evil" does exist.
As surely as "good" exists, as long as there are people doing bad things for nefarious reasons, we will always have "evil".
"Good" and "Evil" are two sides of the same coin. How would you define "Up" if "Down" didn't exist? How would you define "Left" if "Right" didn't exist?
If you don't have "evil", you can't have "good". If "good" exists, then "evil" exists every bit as much.
Thanks for the French news story, Thom. If we can't import French farmers to head our resistence groups, at least we can hear about French workers standing up for their rights!
senator sessions by him becoming a senator with his racist background shows the background of the people that voted for him.
let me make $200,000 a year and i pay my share in taxes for a public health-care plan. health-care should be a pat of the commons
Thom - I've been a listener since the IE America days. I appreciate and admire what you're attempting to do by confronting right wing guests, but sometimes it gets to be too much. They make me too angry knowing that they are spending every second of their lives working towards ends that make my life, the lives of my family and of those in my community harder. Everything they advocate equals either myself or someone I care about having to struggle more or work harder just to survive.
So it gets to a point where I have to turn you off during these segments. I can't listen to them anymore, it makes me too angry.