may i ask something without people getting upset. i truly want to know, isn't this all a form of racism? i don't follow this too much, i get confused about this. but to me it sounds like racism. any thoughts?
ABOU BEN ADHEM
James Henry Leigh Hunt
(Born October 19, 1784; died August 28, 1859)
Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,
And saw, within the moonlight in his room,
Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,
An Angel writing in a book of gold:
Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,
And to the Presence in the room he said,
"What writest thou?" The Vision raised its head,
And with a look made of all sweet accord
Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord."
"And is mine one?" said Abou. "Nay, not so,"
Replied the Angel. Abou spoke more low,
But cheerly still; and said, "I pray thee, then,
Write me as one that loves his fellow-men."
The Angel wrote, and vanished. The next night
It came again with a great wakening light,
And showed the names whom love of God had blessed,
And, lo! Ben Adem's name led all the rest!
The same people who can deny others everything are famous for refusing themselves nothing.
Leigh Hunt
The following link has the poem that follows and many, many comments that are well worth skimming.
I will say, I would like to hear a pro palestinian to rebutt some of J Street. We had a local palestinian call into a local station and say some of the things Israel has done has never made American news including how Israel went into Palestine and destroyed the olive trees and the agriculture and hence the soil. This was in response to my observation that Israel had re fertilized its soil and was growing its own food.
Bill Gates is a thief. Originally he conned a guy in Seattle to obtain DOS for $50,000, which he made billions off of. Later, he reversed engineered the MAC in order to produce Windows. His business practices were notoriously ruthless. He stole literally millions of hours of other people's labor.
He has the "intellectual property rights" to stuff he did not produce. He has not written one line of code in any of his present software. If we are to think in terms of "intellectual property," then it seems to me the benefits should go to the people whose intellect the property came out of.
Funny that you should mention the Ferengi bar owner as the inspiration for my name (chuckle.) When I was in college, I spent a summer working at Wisconsin Dells (a so-called family "amusement" center in WI.) I was a bar tender. The "weekend warriors" used to come down from Camp McCoy and dance with the chairs. The families used to go on the boat rides. It was quite an eye-opener in human behavior (and I always thought it should be a requirement for any psyche major!)
I have _personally_ done development work in the northern areas of Pakistan now held by the Taliban.
So, you'd think I would totally agree with Thom about development but I'm not so sure.
For starters, Germany and Japan were industrialized countries so America was suited to do appropriate development work there.
Virtually every development project I saw in Pakistani tribal areas done by western NGO's where failures.
(I concede that maybe I saw a success but I can't think of any right now.)
In every place, the presence of western or western-financed NGOs created bitter reactions and cynicism in much of the local population. Worse, development efforts also tended to get corrupt, very fast.
I do have some suggestions for effective development but they are too complex for a blog like this.
Schwarzenegger is a minor master of the media. My premise is that the Governor is getting exactly what he wants while pretending to look good.
The real issue is the battered-wife syndrome driven Democrats that are popping sparkling wine corks and dancing naked in the aisles because they only gave away 2/3’s of the farm.
Thanks for the link to the Barry Schwartz talk. It's nice to hear some sense every once in a while. (Right now I'm hearing Thom talk to David Horovitz of the Jerusalem Post and I'm not hearing that.)
The talk had the additional benefit of letting me know that I'm not the only one who didn't know Mike's Hard Lemonade has alcohol.
Before you explained why you chose Quark as a screen name, I thought your inspiration might have been the Ferengi bar owner from Deep Space Nine.
Sorry for my single-issue posts but I have to get ready for a workshop and must focus on healthcare for my posts.
According to Healthcare NOW, the single-payer vote has been moved to Wed. Please, Please call congress. Take action for yourself, your kids, your parents, your grandkids, your neighbors, and our unhealthy planet .
Please Please make this call.
Henry Waxman at 202-225-3976.
Find your rep here: 202-225-3976.
Please repost this to your Facebook wall and send to everyone you know. Only our joined voices will have more power than $$$$$ from insurance industry. We can do this together!
Israel: Boycott, Divest, Sanction
By Naomi Klein - January 8th, 2009
It's time. Long past time. The best strategy to end the increasingly bloody occupation is for Israel to become the target of the kind of global movement that put an end to apartheid in South Africa.
In July 2005 a huge coalition of Palestinian groups laid out plans to do just that. They called on "people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era." The campaign Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions—BDS for short—was born.
Every day that Israel pounds Gaza brings more converts to the BDS cause, and talk of cease-fires is doing little to slow the momentum. Support is even emerging among Israeli Jews. In the midst of the assault roughly 500 Israelis, dozens of them well-known artists and scholars, sent a letter to foreign ambassadors stationed in Israel. It calls for "the adoption of immediate restrictive measures and sanctions" and draws a clear parallel with the antiapartheid struggle. "The boycott on South Africa was effective, but Israel is handled with kid gloves.… This international backing must stop."
Yet even in the face of these clear calls, many of us still can't go there. The reasons are complex, emotional and understandable. And they simply aren't good enough. Economic sanctions are the most effective tools in the nonviolent arsenal. Surrendering them verges on active complicity. Here are the top four objections to the BDS strategy, followed by counterarguments.
1. Punitive measures will alienate rather than persuade Israelis. The world has tried what used to be called "constructive engagement." It has failed utterly. Since 2006 Israel has been steadily escalating its criminality: expanding settlements, launching an outrageous war against Lebanon and imposing collective punishment on Gaza through the brutal blockade. Despite this escalation, Israel has not faced punitive measures—quite the opposite. The weapons and $3 billion in annual aid that the US sends to Israel is only the beginning. Throughout this key period, Israel has enjoyed a dramatic improvement in its diplomatic, cultural and trade relations with a variety of other allies. For instance, in 2007 Israel became the first non–Latin American country to sign a free-trade deal with Mercosur. In the first nine months of 2008, Israeli exports to Canada went up 45 percent. A new trade deal with the European Union is set to double Israel's exports of processed food. And on December 8, European ministers "upgraded" the EU-Israel Association Agreement, a reward long sought by Jerusalem.*
It is in this context that Israeli leaders started their latest war: confident they would face no meaningful costs. It is remarkable that over seven days of wartime trading, the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange's flagship index actually went up 10.7 percent. When carrots don't work, sticks are needed.
2. Israel is not South Africa. Of course it isn't. The relevance of the South African model is that it proves that BDS tactics can be effective when weaker measures (protests, petitions, back-room lobbying) have failed. And there are indeed deeply distressing echoes of South African apartheid in the occupied territories: the color-coded IDs and travel permits, the bulldozed homes and forced displacement, the settler-only roads. Ronnie Kasrils, a prominent South African politician, said that the architecture of segregation that he saw in the West Bank and Gaza was "infinitely worse than apartheid." That was in 2007, before Israel began its full-scale war against the open-air prison that is Gaza.
3. Why single out Israel when the United States, Britain and other Western countries do the same things in Iraq and Afghanistan? Boycott is not a dogma; it is a tactic. The reason the BDS strategy should be tried against Israel is practical: in a country so small and trade-dependent, it could actually work.
4. Boycotts sever communication; we need more dialogue, not less. This one I'll answer with a personal story. For eight years, my books have been published in Israel by a commercial house called Babel. But when I published The Shock Doctrine, I wanted to respect the boycott. On the advice of BDS activists, including the wonderful writer John Berger, I contacted a small publisher called Andalus. Andalus is an activist press, deeply involved in the anti-occupation movement and the only Israeli publisher devoted exclusively to translating Arabic writing into Hebrew. We drafted a contract that guarantees that all proceeds go to Andalus's work, and none to me. In other words, I am boycotting the Israeli economy but not Israelis.
Coming up with our modest publishing plan required dozens of phone calls, e-mails and instant messages, stretching from Tel Aviv to Ramallah to Paris to Toronto to Gaza City. My point is this: as soon as you start implementing a boycott strategy, dialogue increases dramatically. And why wouldn't it? Building a movement requires endless communicating, as many in the antiapartheid struggle well recall. The argument that supporting boycotts will cut us off from one another is particularly specious given the array of cheap information technologies at our fingertips. We are drowning in ways to rant at one another across national boundaries. No boycott can stop us.
Just about now, many a proud Zionist is gearing up for major point-scoring: don't I know that many of those very high-tech toys come from Israeli research parks, world leaders in infotech? True enough, but not all of them. Several days into Israel's Gaza assault, Richard Ramsey, the managing director of a British telecom specializing in voice-over-internet services, sent an email to the Israeli tech firm MobileMax. "As a result of the Israeli government action in the last few days we will no longer be in a position to consider doing business with yourself or any other Israeli company."
Ramsey says that his decision wasn't political; he just didn't want to lose customers. "We can't afford to lose any of our clients," he explains, "so it was purely commercially defensive."
It was this kind of cold business calculation that led many companies to pull out of South Africa two decades ago. And it's precisely the kind of calculation that is our most realistic hope of bringing justice, so long denied, to Palestine.
When you mentioned Murray Gell-Mann yesterday, your comment reminded me that I think I pronounced "quark" the way I have because I think about Lewis Carroll's piece, "The Hunting of the SNARK --- An Agony in Eight Fits":
MN tried to keep NW Airlines' corporate offices and many union jobs in MN years ago by lending them money. The additional union jobs the state "paid for" never materialized.
Now that NWA and Delta merged (last year), the airline's future in MN is even harder to predict. Meanwhile, taxpayers once again end up holding the bag.
I am NOT surprised that the Governor Schwarzenegger and the California State Legislature have chosen to disassemble all that made California great rather than ask the minority party to do what is righteous. The girlie-man Governor refuses to reel-in the Party that he nominally heads.
So rather than looking towards any solution that works . . . Such as a progressive tax system . . . We are cutting services while shielding passive income, inflicting tax burden on to folk working for a living and forcing local governments to tax consuming to support basic functions.
AND look we won't be providing healthcare for kids anymore.
Every month conservatives block health care = 1,500 dead Americans.
----------------------
To put this in perspective: approximately 1,300 people died in New Orleans from Katrin while 18,000 Americans die EVERY YEAR from lack of health insurance. 1,500 a month: http://tinyurl.com/47evf
I think "Coast to Coast" is fun to listen to, too. Here's another source of fascinating info. for your thirsty mind. (I'm really having fun listening to/watching the different talks.)
TED is a small nonprofit devoted to Ideas Worth Spreading. It started out (in 1984) as a conference bringing together people from three worlds: Technology, Entertainment, Design.
Firedoglake is closely monitoring the House of Representatives on a daily basis to make sure our reps only vote for plans with a public option--- at the very least. You can check out which congressmen are leaning toward "yes", but aren't there yet, so you'll know who to call. They call it the public "whip tool" :-) Watch out congressmen. Our whips are raised and ready!
may i ask something without people getting upset. i truly want to know, isn't this all a form of racism? i don't follow this too much, i get confused about this. but to me it sounds like racism. any thoughts?
ABOU BEN ADHEM
James Henry Leigh Hunt
(Born October 19, 1784; died August 28, 1859)
Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,
And saw, within the moonlight in his room,
Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,
An Angel writing in a book of gold:
Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,
And to the Presence in the room he said,
"What writest thou?" The Vision raised its head,
And with a look made of all sweet accord
Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord."
"And is mine one?" said Abou. "Nay, not so,"
Replied the Angel. Abou spoke more low,
But cheerly still; and said, "I pray thee, then,
Write me as one that loves his fellow-men."
The Angel wrote, and vanished. The next night
It came again with a great wakening light,
And showed the names whom love of God had blessed,
And, lo! Ben Adem's name led all the rest!
The same people who can deny others everything are famous for refusing themselves nothing.
Leigh Hunt
The following link has the poem that follows and many, many comments that are well worth skimming.
http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/153.html
The Food Fascist ,
I agree with you. I'd like to hear more from pro-Palestinians, too. 'Seems like we get lots of arguments from mainly one side.
I will say, I would like to hear a pro palestinian to rebutt some of J Street. We had a local palestinian call into a local station and say some of the things Israel has done has never made American news including how Israel went into Palestine and destroyed the olive trees and the agriculture and hence the soil. This was in response to my observation that Israel had re fertilized its soil and was growing its own food.
Bill Gates is a thief. Originally he conned a guy in Seattle to obtain DOS for $50,000, which he made billions off of. Later, he reversed engineered the MAC in order to produce Windows. His business practices were notoriously ruthless. He stole literally millions of hours of other people's labor.
He has the "intellectual property rights" to stuff he did not produce. He has not written one line of code in any of his present software. If we are to think in terms of "intellectual property," then it seems to me the benefits should go to the people whose intellect the property came out of.
Thanks guys for your positive comments.
I need to get off-line.
Peace!
s.b. "psych"
B Roll,
Funny that you should mention the Ferengi bar owner as the inspiration for my name (chuckle.) When I was in college, I spent a summer working at Wisconsin Dells (a so-called family "amusement" center in WI.) I was a bar tender. The "weekend warriors" used to come down from Camp McCoy and dance with the chairs. The families used to go on the boat rides. It was quite an eye-opener in human behavior (and I always thought it should be a requirement for any psyche major!)
I have _personally_ done development work in the northern areas of Pakistan now held by the Taliban.
So, you'd think I would totally agree with Thom about development but I'm not so sure.
For starters, Germany and Japan were industrialized countries so America was suited to do appropriate development work there.
Virtually every development project I saw in Pakistani tribal areas done by western NGO's where failures.
(I concede that maybe I saw a success but I can't think of any right now.)
In every place, the presence of western or western-financed NGOs created bitter reactions and cynicism in much of the local population. Worse, development efforts also tended to get corrupt, very fast.
I do have some suggestions for effective development but they are too complex for a blog like this.
L Grace,
I love those stats too Quark. We should add those to the messages we send to our friends and social networking. They are so pointed and descriptive.
"Also, Every two months of conservative healh care == one 911."
“Health insurance reform isn’t Obama’s Waterloo.
BLOCKING healthcare is the GOPs Katrina.”
@ L Grace:
Schwarzenegger is a minor master of the media. My premise is that the Governor is getting exactly what he wants while pretending to look good.
The real issue is the battered-wife syndrome driven Democrats that are popping sparkling wine corks and dancing naked in the aisles because they only gave away 2/3’s of the farm.
Quark,
Thanks for the link to the Barry Schwartz talk. It's nice to hear some sense every once in a while. (Right now I'm hearing Thom talk to David Horovitz of the Jerusalem Post and I'm not hearing that.)
The talk had the additional benefit of letting me know that I'm not the only one who didn't know Mike's Hard Lemonade has alcohol.
Before you explained why you chose Quark as a screen name, I thought your inspiration might have been the Ferengi bar owner from Deep Space Nine.
Sorry for my single-issue posts but I have to get ready for a workshop and must focus on healthcare for my posts.
According to Healthcare NOW, the single-payer vote has been moved to Wed. Please, Please call congress. Take action for yourself, your kids, your parents, your grandkids, your neighbors, and our unhealthy planet .
Please Please make this call.
Henry Waxman at 202-225-3976.
Find your rep here: 202-225-3976.
Please repost this to your Facebook wall and send to everyone you know. Only our joined voices will have more power than $$$$$ from insurance industry. We can do this together!
L Grace,
Thanks! I just started by sending it to MSNBC's "Morning Joe" and "Morning Meeting." Lots of other places to send it --- including congresspeople!
Israel: Boycott, Divest, Sanction
By Naomi Klein - January 8th, 2009
It's time. Long past time. The best strategy to end the increasingly bloody occupation is for Israel to become the target of the kind of global movement that put an end to apartheid in South Africa.
In July 2005 a huge coalition of Palestinian groups laid out plans to do just that. They called on "people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era." The campaign Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions—BDS for short—was born.
Every day that Israel pounds Gaza brings more converts to the BDS cause, and talk of cease-fires is doing little to slow the momentum. Support is even emerging among Israeli Jews. In the midst of the assault roughly 500 Israelis, dozens of them well-known artists and scholars, sent a letter to foreign ambassadors stationed in Israel. It calls for "the adoption of immediate restrictive measures and sanctions" and draws a clear parallel with the antiapartheid struggle. "The boycott on South Africa was effective, but Israel is handled with kid gloves.… This international backing must stop."
Yet even in the face of these clear calls, many of us still can't go there. The reasons are complex, emotional and understandable. And they simply aren't good enough. Economic sanctions are the most effective tools in the nonviolent arsenal. Surrendering them verges on active complicity. Here are the top four objections to the BDS strategy, followed by counterarguments.
1. Punitive measures will alienate rather than persuade Israelis. The world has tried what used to be called "constructive engagement." It has failed utterly. Since 2006 Israel has been steadily escalating its criminality: expanding settlements, launching an outrageous war against Lebanon and imposing collective punishment on Gaza through the brutal blockade. Despite this escalation, Israel has not faced punitive measures—quite the opposite. The weapons and $3 billion in annual aid that the US sends to Israel is only the beginning. Throughout this key period, Israel has enjoyed a dramatic improvement in its diplomatic, cultural and trade relations with a variety of other allies. For instance, in 2007 Israel became the first non–Latin American country to sign a free-trade deal with Mercosur. In the first nine months of 2008, Israeli exports to Canada went up 45 percent. A new trade deal with the European Union is set to double Israel's exports of processed food. And on December 8, European ministers "upgraded" the EU-Israel Association Agreement, a reward long sought by Jerusalem.*
It is in this context that Israeli leaders started their latest war: confident they would face no meaningful costs. It is remarkable that over seven days of wartime trading, the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange's flagship index actually went up 10.7 percent. When carrots don't work, sticks are needed.
2. Israel is not South Africa. Of course it isn't. The relevance of the South African model is that it proves that BDS tactics can be effective when weaker measures (protests, petitions, back-room lobbying) have failed. And there are indeed deeply distressing echoes of South African apartheid in the occupied territories: the color-coded IDs and travel permits, the bulldozed homes and forced displacement, the settler-only roads. Ronnie Kasrils, a prominent South African politician, said that the architecture of segregation that he saw in the West Bank and Gaza was "infinitely worse than apartheid." That was in 2007, before Israel began its full-scale war against the open-air prison that is Gaza.
3. Why single out Israel when the United States, Britain and other Western countries do the same things in Iraq and Afghanistan? Boycott is not a dogma; it is a tactic. The reason the BDS strategy should be tried against Israel is practical: in a country so small and trade-dependent, it could actually work.
4. Boycotts sever communication; we need more dialogue, not less. This one I'll answer with a personal story. For eight years, my books have been published in Israel by a commercial house called Babel. But when I published The Shock Doctrine, I wanted to respect the boycott. On the advice of BDS activists, including the wonderful writer John Berger, I contacted a small publisher called Andalus. Andalus is an activist press, deeply involved in the anti-occupation movement and the only Israeli publisher devoted exclusively to translating Arabic writing into Hebrew. We drafted a contract that guarantees that all proceeds go to Andalus's work, and none to me. In other words, I am boycotting the Israeli economy but not Israelis.
Coming up with our modest publishing plan required dozens of phone calls, e-mails and instant messages, stretching from Tel Aviv to Ramallah to Paris to Toronto to Gaza City. My point is this: as soon as you start implementing a boycott strategy, dialogue increases dramatically. And why wouldn't it? Building a movement requires endless communicating, as many in the antiapartheid struggle well recall. The argument that supporting boycotts will cut us off from one another is particularly specious given the array of cheap information technologies at our fingertips. We are drowning in ways to rant at one another across national boundaries. No boycott can stop us.
Just about now, many a proud Zionist is gearing up for major point-scoring: don't I know that many of those very high-tech toys come from Israeli research parks, world leaders in infotech? True enough, but not all of them. Several days into Israel's Gaza assault, Richard Ramsey, the managing director of a British telecom specializing in voice-over-internet services, sent an email to the Israeli tech firm MobileMax. "As a result of the Israeli government action in the last few days we will no longer be in a position to consider doing business with yourself or any other Israeli company."
Ramsey says that his decision wasn't political; he just didn't want to lose customers. "We can't afford to lose any of our clients," he explains, "so it was purely commercially defensive."
It was this kind of cold business calculation that led many companies to pull out of South Africa two decades ago. And it's precisely the kind of calculation that is our most realistic hope of bringing justice, so long denied, to Palestine.
B Roll,
When you mentioned Murray Gell-Mann yesterday, your comment reminded me that I think I pronounced "quark" the way I have because I think about Lewis Carroll's piece, "The Hunting of the SNARK --- An Agony in Eight Fits":
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/carroll/lewis/snark/
Instead, I should have been thinking of a gallon holding 4 QUARTS!
Quark,
Please do!
BTW, that number 1,300 is in New Orleans only. (The total of all states was something like 1,800.)
Also, Every two months of conservative healh care == one 911.
Richard,
Do you think Schwarzenegger has the political clout to reel in the California Republicans?
His lack of a clear and steady political vision has made him distrusted by BOTH parties, maybe his own even more than the Dems.
L Grace,
RE: "Health insurance reform isn’t Obama’s Waterloo.
BLOCKING healthcare is the GOPs Katrina."
WOW! That is a powerful message! With your permission, I am going to use that comparison whenever I can!
Mark,
MN tried to keep NW Airlines' corporate offices and many union jobs in MN years ago by lending them money. The additional union jobs the state "paid for" never materialized.
Now that NWA and Delta merged (last year), the airline's future in MN is even harder to predict. Meanwhile, taxpayers once again end up holding the bag.
I am NOT surprised that the Governor Schwarzenegger and the California State Legislature have chosen to disassemble all that made California great rather than ask the minority party to do what is righteous. The girlie-man Governor refuses to reel-in the Party that he nominally heads.
So rather than looking towards any solution that works . . . Such as a progressive tax system . . . We are cutting services while shielding passive income, inflicting tax burden on to folk working for a living and forcing local governments to tax consuming to support basic functions.
AND look we won't be providing healthcare for kids anymore.
Health insurance reform isn't Obama's Waterloo.
BLOCKING healthcare is the GOPs Katrina.
Every month conservatives block health care = 1,500 dead Americans.
----------------------
To put this in perspective: approximately 1,300 people died in New Orleans from Katrin while 18,000 Americans die EVERY YEAR from lack of health insurance. 1,500 a month: http://tinyurl.com/47evf
Mark,
I think "Coast to Coast" is fun to listen to, too. Here's another source of fascinating info. for your thirsty mind. (I'm really having fun listening to/watching the different talks.)
http://www.ted.com/
TED is a small nonprofit devoted to Ideas Worth Spreading. It started out (in 1984) as a conference bringing together people from three worlds: Technology, Entertainment, Design.
Loretta,
Thanks for the link to Firedoglake. If we have any chance of coming out of ths mess intact it will take action like this.
Firedoglake is closely monitoring the House of Representatives on a daily basis to make sure our reps only vote for plans with a public option--- at the very least. You can check out which congressmen are leaning toward "yes", but aren't there yet, so you'll know who to call. They call it the public "whip tool" :-) Watch out congressmen. Our whips are raised and ready!
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/06/23/fdl-action-lets-whip-the-...