MORE OF THE ZIONIST OPPRESSION AND APARTHEID THAT THOM SUPPORTS AND LOVES
WHO KNEW WE HAD SUCH A BLOODTHIRSTY NEO-NAZI POSING AS A PROGRESSIVE?
The Reality of Israel’s "Open Jerusalem"
Ghettoes, demolitions and housing shortages
In addition, movement restrictions mean that almost all of the nearly four million Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza are banned from entering the city or visiting its holy sites.
Inside Jerusalem, as in the West Bank, Israel enforces a strict programme of segregation to disadvantage the Palestinians, said Jeff Halper, of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions.
Israeli Jews have the freedom to live in both parts of the city, with 270,000 in West Jerusalem and a further 200,000 living in East Jerusalem in rapidly expanding settlements heavily subsidised by the state.
Palestinians, meanwhile, are denied the right to live both in West Jerusalem and in many residential areas of East Jerusalem. Even in their tightly controlled neighbourhoods in the city’s east, at least 20,000 of their homes are subject to demolition orders, said Mr Halper.
Daniel Seidemann, a Jerualem lawyer, said that in his 20 years of handling residency rights cases for Palestinians he had never heard of a Palestinian with a Jerusalem ID living in West Jerusalem.
The reason, he pointed out, was that almost all land inside Israel’s 1948 borders, including West Jerusalem, has been registered as “state land” managed by a body known as the Israel Lands Authority.
The authority allows neither Palestinians nor Israelis to buy property on state land. Instead long-term renewable leases are available to Israeli citizens and anyone eligible to immigrate to Israel under the country’s Law of Return -- meaning Jews.
The settlements in East Jerusalem -- now covering 35 per cent of the eastern city, according to Mr Seidemann -- are also built on land declared as “state land”, in violation of international law. Again this means that only Israelis and Jewish foreign nationals are entitled to lease land there.
Because they do not hold Israeli citizenship, the Palestinians of East Jerusalem are disqualified from acquiring property either in West Jerusalem or in the settlements of East Jerusalem.
“The extraordinary situation is that a Palestinian who had his land expropriated to build the settlement of Har Homa [on the outskirts of East Jerusalem] cannot lease land there, whereas a Jew from Paris or London who is not even an Israeli citizen can.”
For people pissed with Harry Reid (including me) ---
'Sorry for all the posts, but I came across interesting ideas (since yesterday) I wanted to share with you. Lawrence O'Donnell talks about Harry Reid's dilemma ('helped me have a little more sympathy for Reid):
I had to laugh when I read the criticism of one of Jacobovici’s works as a “disgusting little exercise in money-making” (from the Wikipedia page you referenced.)
Re: "When I look at the Wikipedia page I see that his films present controversial theory after controversial theory. Theories that, if true, would revolutionize our understanding of ancient history. Most professionals in the field work to find new things and expand our knowledge, but very few revolutionize the field. Jacobovici isn’t a professional in any of these fields, yet he makes films that claim to revolutionize our knowledge in one area after another. I find that hard to believe."
Sadly, I realize I should have verified the source. I will try to be more aware of that in the future. (I am sensitized to look at motivation and background in politics but not so much in science, I guess. Thanks for keeping the discussion "honest." Otherwise, what's the point?)
Re: "But in this case, we’re told that the Jews took a period in Hyskos history in which the Hyskos conquered and ruled one of the most glorious civilizations in history and made it into a story of Jewish slavery and oppression and put it into their holiest book. They completely leave out the part about conquering and ruling Egypt."
Yes, I wondered about this, too. This seemed like a gaping, unverified hole in these theories.
I wholeheartedly agree with your comment: "I’ll say one thing in his possible defense. No matter what the field, members of the establishment will defend the accepted knowledge. In doing so, they’ll often be very vicious."
To me, that is one of the most ironic occurences in scientific study. Science should be about keeping an open mind and allowing new information or ideas to be part of the conversation. Not to acknowlege new information or possible credible ideas is the antithesis of the scientific search for truth. But, just as in politics or other areas of life, people protect their interests. It's really a shame.
Question for Bernie: DFA included John Kerry in their list of Democrats to attack based on a Huff post rumor. I think this was bogus since Kerry is FOR the PUBLIC OPTION. DFA and their associates stood by their stance that it was appropriate to attack Kerry when I asked them to take his name off the attack list.
I think attacking allies for not being perfect is very destructive to the credibility of liberal/progressive activism. There are plenty of real obstructionists to go after without attacking allies.
Question for Ravi Batra: Back last winter you had suggested that Obama not be very aggressive (beyond stimulus) in proposing big economic packages because the recession/depression was going to come anyway no matter what he did. Now in July do you have an update related to the February recommendation to be cautious.
btw, now that Walter Cronkite (previously thought to be "America's most trusted newsman") is no longer with us, Jon Stewart has been voted the bearer of that title in a recent Time poll:
Interesting interview on The Daily Show last night (a story about the the Civil War I hadn't heard until now.) John Stewart talked with author Sally Jenkins, who wrote a book (The State of Jones) how about how the Civil War was forced by wealthy Southern plantation owners who wanted to protect their interests.
Apparently, according to Jenkins, most of the South would have agreed to eliminate slavery, but a small group with interests vested in the existing system pushed for secession from the Union (min. 13:53, or segment 3 of this clip):
Please accept my compliments, Thom. I have long admired your dedication to teaching and I hear you now taking that commitment a step further by actually listening to your callers and allowing them to say things, sometimes somewhat imperfectly, that you have already said. People who find their voices are qualitatively different from those who have not. You help to empower them by allowing them to speak, the altruistic act of a true teacher. As a Progressive myself, I am proud you are one of us.
I admit my point could have been clearer but still, you gotta watch that free-association. I could have saved you a paragraph or two if I had been more clear about how I listened to Lt. Col. Peters on O'Reilly and DID NOT hear him utter what this original Hartman story claims he uttered. If you could point me to a link to a transcript that would be helpful. What I did hear was Lt. Col. Peters say was that the captured soldier was a deserter, confirmed by the military. My line about him being one of few who are calling this straight meant that he was one of the few who was describing the soldier as what he was. If Lt. Col. Peters did in fact say those other things I would have denounced them. The US military has a justice system setup for these sort of things and that is the only organization who should deal with the deserter.
"As far as deserting in Iraq or Afghanistan…kind of hard to do that…most of us stand out in those areas."
Not sure what you are basing this on. To desert, you put your weapon down (or don't) and leave your post without authorization. You're post is anywhere you are ordered to be at any given time.
As far as stress between different professions, lets be more clear for purposes of this discussion and speak to those who's day to day tasks are hazardous and who's mission success (you made it out alive among other things) relies on the courage, professionalism and mettle of your fellow team members. Law enforcement, infantry military men and fire fighters could be grouped together in this regard. There are more but you get the point.
"I’d guess a lot of the females in the military might be upset at being expected to be “men”?"
On the contrary, all the women i've worked with (ie. female Marines dropped in to search female Iraqis at different positions/checkpoints) went out of their way to match the professionalism and fortitude of our light armored recon unit I served in. Not assuming they wanted to "be men" like you stated but they wanted to prove they could do a tough job under tough conditions and be a crucial part of the operation. That they were.
I meant to write this earlier, but was sidetracked by life. I’m posting this without serious proof reading.)
Interesting! But I became skeptical about 10 seconds into the video. That was when the guy in the baseball cap turned around and I realized he was The Naked Archaeologist. I looked him up and found his name is Simcha Jacobovici.
I have seen a few things he’s done for the History Channel. Watching them, I had a gut feeling that he isn’t credible. I know one thing that bothered me was that it seemed to me that he states a questionable fact or theory, then assumes it to be true, and then uses that “fact” as the basis for a new theory.
I want to get this posted for you, although by now you might not see it until the morning, so I’m not going to watch the video a second time now.
Example: There was no Egyptian record of Hebrew slaves or a massive exodus of foreigners at the time the Jews were supposed to be there. So he suggests maybe they’re looking at the wrong time and he finds a guy who says that if you look a few hundred years later, you find a record of the Hyskos. The Hyskos invaded and colonized part of Egypt for a few hundred years, then began gaining power, ruled for a few centuries and then were expelled.
I hope you remember what Jacobovici did. He took one guy’s theory that the date was wrong and without any other verification, he said something along the lines of we have a new date for the Exodus. Then he turns the Hebrew slaves into the Hyskos rulers.
I imagine that it’s not unusual for one group to adopt and adapt the stories of another culture, but when they do that, I’d think they would take the most glorious parts. But in this case, we’re told that the Jews took a period in Hyskos history in which the Hyskos conquered and ruled one of the most glorious civilizations in history and made it into a story of Jewish slavery and oppression and put it into their holiest book. They completely leave out the part about conquering and ruling Egypt.
Then there’s the mention of the Hyskos multicolored robes, which resonates with the story of Joseph who went to Egypt and returned with a robe of many colors. Maybe I’m looking at this from the wrong perspective, but if the story of story of the Jews in Egypt is really the story of the Hyskos in Egypt, a colored robe wouldn’t be a big enough deal to write about because it would have been very common.
But those are just logical quibbles. The greatest reason I have to doubt Jacobovici’s credibility is what I found on Wikipedia when I looked him up. Look at the page on him there after you finish this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simcha_Jacobovici
What you’ll find is that he isn’t an archaeologist or even a historian. He has a B.A. in Philosophy and an M.A. in International Relations, but he basically works as a film maker.
When you look at the Wikipedia page on him, you see that it’s mostly taken up with criticisms of his work and how he does it. He’s been accused of twisting facts and research. In one case he and his partners are accused of misrepresenting the proceedings of a conference at Princeton University to the media. The way they misrepresented the conference made it look like the thesis is one films is more likely to be true than was actually the case. Around a dozen participants at the conference signed a letter criticizing him for this. One of the signers of this letter cited a leaked memo that indicated that Jacobovici and his partners actually had a plan to try to manipulate the conference to appear to support the ideas presented in their film.
When I look at the Wikipedia page I see that his films present controversial theory after controversial theory. Theories that, if true, would revolutionize our understanding of ancient history. Most professionals in the field work to find new things and expand our knowledge, but very few revolutionize the field. Jacobovici isn’t a professional in any of these fields, yet he makes films that claim to revolutionize our knowledge in one area after another. I find that hard to believe.
I have a feeling that Jacobovici and his work falls into the categories of pseudo-history and pseudo-archaeology. I’ve seen it so many times, along with pseudo-science. They put together the most compelling cases for revolutionary discoveries and theories, but people familiar with the field find these theories to be full of holes. I could give you a zillion stories
I’ll say one thing in his possible defense. No matter what the field, members of the establishment will defend the accepted knowledge. In doing so, they’ll often be very vicious. So, it’s possible that he has raised the hackles of the establishment. But I find it unlikely that Jacobivici could have found reliable revolutionary information about so many topics. Like I said earlier, most professional’s in a field hope to find one or two major new pieces of information.
My bad, I thought I was going to be able to get to it earlier. But I just went and looked at yesterday's blog and found the same thing you did... no message from me! I'm going to correct that now, although I have to look a few things up. I'm putting my Tai Chi response team on it right now.
I recall some years ago that former Cincinnati Reds star and baseball analyst Joe Morgan was arrested while walking through an airport to catch a flight. Apparently, the police thought a black man wearing a tailored suit must be a drug-smuggler. When Morgan told them who he was, the police were unimpressed. Later, after Morgan was released after being held on a bogus “contempt of cop” charge, the police chief bewailed the fact that it was always “articulate” minorities who gave them “trouble.” This is obviously applies to the recent incident involving Henry Louis Gates, arrested for not showing the proper “respect” to a white police officer who invaded his home, acting on report from an undoubtedly fearful white person.
Most police officers do frankly operated on the principle of racial stereotypes, or profiling. The “job” of police is to protect white people and their property against potential “predations” of minorities, although crime statistics do generally indicate that whites are more likely to be the victim of another white person. Profiling and stereotypes are so ingrained in the minds of most cops that they see every minority as “the enemy.” Even, apparently, educated, law-abiding—“articulate”—minorities. Why? Because their very existence exposes the underlying racism inherent in policing and society in general. I know, for example, that every time a police officer wants to “talk” to me, he or she is expecting a Spanish speaker or someone otherwise inarticulate that they assume they can bully. It doesn’t take long for them to discover the error in their thinking, but as other minorities like Morgan and Gates discovered, police have this inability to admit their errors—rather choosing to escalate matters in an effort to “excuse” their actions.
I might be too small a fry to detain for “contempt of cop,” but minorities (particularly male) who directly contradict the received stereotypes and in fact are deserving society’s respect (like a Harvard professor) are troublesome for police. They are “troublesome” because police simply do not know how to show respect to a minority they instinctually assume is a potential criminal. Not knowing how to show respect, they nevertheless demand “respect,” and this is where the “trouble” begins. Police who do not show respect do not deserve it themselves.
As I'm sure you know, many years ago, a white John Howard Griffin, wrote the book Black Like Me, publicizing journals he kept when he changed his skin and hair color and travelled thru the South as a "black" man.
I have thought, since then, that living in this country must be a Kafka-esque experience. I can't imagine maintaining the inner strength it would take to endure here. I think I might choose to live in Paris, like Josephine Baker in the 1920s.
Please help me to understand what it takes to live and stay here in spite of everything you must endure. (If my request is presumptuous, please don't hesitate to let me know.)
I certainly do agree with you that an unexamined life is not living up to its potential.
btw, my uncle is a now-retired Episcopal priest who marched with Dr. King. It's too bad there isn't some way we all could "virtually" walk with Dr. King.
Hi,
As a black gentleman from Watts, who grew-up without a dad,(knew him, but he wasn't much of a father) I am annoyed at this crap about "blaming the victims," and too use a rape victim as an analogy was just bad.
People like Revs. Wright, Sharpton and Jackson, are "poverty pimps." They need to keep people mad at "the white man" to keep themselves in business. Gates and many others in black hierarchy, are not all that different. Instead of helping to heal the racial divide, they perpetuate it, just as right-wingers do.
I am with Cosby and the president, in that, we know what historical racism has done to us, but don't let that be an excuse not to attempt to succeed. What's wrong with Obama trying to encourage single moms to go to school, what wrong with telling ment to be a parent, no just a sperm donor.
I am a retired school principal and I'll never forget that my latin students would take any job available whereas, a number of my black students were picky. Going into stores in the community, the majority of workers were latins, for many years. All of a sudden in the last few years, I am seeing almost a fifty/fifty split between black and latin workers.
What happened? Welfare reform meant that one can no longer be on welfare for life, so many more blacks are applying for jobs they wouldn't have thought of doing before.
That situation with Dr. Gates may have been allowed to get out of hand, but I used to be an angry young man, and things could escalate with me from time-to-time. I finally realized alot of the problem was me. Way too many of my people have yet to get this, hence we are 20 percent of the prison population, and only twelve percent of the U.S. population. The AIDS that the guys coming out of pen are gving to women is an epidemic in the black and latin communities.
"Blame the victim" my ass, we need to get a grip, and began to look within.
Republicans aren't even real humans any more, but are now corporations. It doesn't surprise that in everything they do, they strive to externalize costs and internalize profits. The pathetic thing is they feel good inside when they can get one over on their fellow man.
I see this firsthand in my strongly Republican town in the San Joaquin Valley in California, and I walk around shocked and disgusted most of the time. I'll be moving up your way when I can, Thom. I've had it with the heartlessness.
Let me get this straight, Szynal and Peters want the Taliban to do justice on an American military man? Are they then thinking that the Taliban is suitable to come up with a list of war criminals and we should hand them over? I'd think that they would be arguing for him being returned and investigated and punished if convicted of desertion or another crime and not be willing to establish the precedence of the Taliban or another group handling an American's justice. Of course if indeed that is what Peters and Szynal are saying...let GI's and Marines be subject to foreign courts...I must admit that is a very progressive attitude.
While I do think that while we do have a volunteer military now and I also feel that while one takes the "Queen's shilling" one has to do what they signed up I also wonder that if someone breaks at the thought of going overseas to a war zone...how are they going to handle the stress of being there and I'd rather have someone holding my life in their hand's that can handle that load.
We all handle stress in different ways, the problems after WW II (a different time with different standards) are known, and a lot of the problems, kids being abused, wives being abused or just turning into a drunk were "men being men" or they were thought to be "losers". Now we read that the military suicide rate is much higher than the population as a whole and an amazingly high percentage of returning vets have mental or emotional problems and as time goes on and the military gets sent back and back and back those numbers will not drop. It is obvious that some cannot take it and by using them you are putting your life in hands that cannot bear the load
As far as deserting in Iraq or Afghanistan...kind of hard to do that...most of us stand out in those areas.
So many jobs claim..."you just can't understand it". If that is so I guess we can only comment on things we do or have done. I've heard cops say it (I've been one), I've heard firefighters say it, of course the military say it, pilots say it (been one), truckers say it, teachers say it, loggers say it, fishermen say it, farmers say it, I can't think of one group that has not said it. I put my life into hundreds of other people's hands everyday I drive into town and a few weeks ago a person behind me dropped it at it and I have another scar on my face and my back is even worse. Don't like the job and the people you do it with and they don't meet your standards...find another job.
I'd guess a lot of the females in the military might be upset at being expected to be "men"?
The fella from the Ayn Rand Institute suggested that people have the choice not to purchase products that are known to be harmful to our health. The only problem is that these harmful chemicals don't simply accumulate in our bodies and stay there. The production process as well as the disposal of these products are also not regulated, and so these harmful substances leech into our environment and into other places, say, such as into our tap water, as is the case with pharmaceutical drugs. Therefore, an individual has less and less choice as to what chemicals we take into our bodies. His argument simply is not correct. We simply do not have the choices he asserts we indeed do.
You ask me "Is there a range of opinions on this by blacks?"
That made me think back to the primaries. Frangela (the two black women who are guests on the Stephanie Miller Show during the last half-hour on Fridays and fill in for her when she's on vacation) were wondering why Obama didn't attend the State of the Black Union conference that Tavis Smiley puts on every year in February (I think). I knew and wrote them that he didn't attend because he chose to launch his presidential primary campaign that weekend in Springfield, Illinois where Abraham Lincoln had launched his.
Then I told them that whenever they had a question about black people and couldn't find the answer they could take advantage of my "Ask a White Man" service. I guess you're my second subscriber. (After sending the email I remembered that there's a guy in Orange County, California named Gustavo Arellano who has a newspaper column called "Ask a Mexican". He also has a book by that name. I felt kind of guilty that I had unconsciously ripped off his concept.)
Back to your question; there are over 40 million African-Americans in this country. Of course there's a range of opinions. But from what I've seen in the media, a large (probably overwhelming) majority can understand Gates anger. A similar though slightly smaller number would believe that race played a big roll in the event.
I have heard Hillary do that to. I think people sometimes do that without even knowing and don't forget, Hillary lived in Arkansas for many years. But God, was that accent awful in that clip. I wonder if Fox, or someone fiddled with the audio. I believe I've heard her speak to a black audience and not sound so bad.
I'd be willing to bet that, at least with some people, picking up the accent and speech patterns is subconscious. A dear friend of mine, a black woman, went to teach in Africa some years ago. After a while, I noticed when we talked on the phone, she would roll her R's when she spoke. I mentioned it to her and she wasn't even aware of doing it. It took her a while, after getting back to the states, to stop rolling her R's.
I agree about just being yourself. I think part of the reason I get along well with blacks is because I just be myself. But myself is a very multicultural person, having lived much of my life in mixed communities.
Having never had an occasion to address a large crowd of Southern blacks, I don't know if this is supposed to be flattering or not. I can only say that I would attempt to "be myself" as a white person. I would feel like a phony otherwise.
Obama surely didn't grow up (in Hawaii) with a southern accent. I question his use of it, too, I guess. Is there a range of opinions on this by blacks?
MORE OF THE ZIONIST OPPRESSION AND APARTHEID THAT THOM SUPPORTS AND LOVES
WHO KNEW WE HAD SUCH A BLOODTHIRSTY NEO-NAZI POSING AS A PROGRESSIVE?
The Reality of Israel’s "Open Jerusalem"
Ghettoes, demolitions and housing shortages
In addition, movement restrictions mean that almost all of the nearly four million Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza are banned from entering the city or visiting its holy sites.
Inside Jerusalem, as in the West Bank, Israel enforces a strict programme of segregation to disadvantage the Palestinians, said Jeff Halper, of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions.
Israeli Jews have the freedom to live in both parts of the city, with 270,000 in West Jerusalem and a further 200,000 living in East Jerusalem in rapidly expanding settlements heavily subsidised by the state.
Palestinians, meanwhile, are denied the right to live both in West Jerusalem and in many residential areas of East Jerusalem. Even in their tightly controlled neighbourhoods in the city’s east, at least 20,000 of their homes are subject to demolition orders, said Mr Halper.
Daniel Seidemann, a Jerualem lawyer, said that in his 20 years of handling residency rights cases for Palestinians he had never heard of a Palestinian with a Jerusalem ID living in West Jerusalem.
The reason, he pointed out, was that almost all land inside Israel’s 1948 borders, including West Jerusalem, has been registered as “state land” managed by a body known as the Israel Lands Authority.
The authority allows neither Palestinians nor Israelis to buy property on state land. Instead long-term renewable leases are available to Israeli citizens and anyone eligible to immigrate to Israel under the country’s Law of Return -- meaning Jews.
The settlements in East Jerusalem -- now covering 35 per cent of the eastern city, according to Mr Seidemann -- are also built on land declared as “state land”, in violation of international law. Again this means that only Israelis and Jewish foreign nationals are entitled to lease land there.
Because they do not hold Israeli citizenship, the Palestinians of East Jerusalem are disqualified from acquiring property either in West Jerusalem or in the settlements of East Jerusalem.
“The extraordinary situation is that a Palestinian who had his land expropriated to build the settlement of Har Homa [on the outskirts of East Jerusalem] cannot lease land there, whereas a Jew from Paris or London who is not even an Israeli citizen can.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14505
For people pissed with Harry Reid (including me) ---
'Sorry for all the posts, but I came across interesting ideas (since yesterday) I wanted to share with you. Lawrence O'Donnell talks about Harry Reid's dilemma ('helped me have a little more sympathy for Reid):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#32113666
I'm still going to sign the petition on "Food Fascist's" link above, will call the White House, today, etc.,
Interesting (very basic) conversation on "Morning Meeting" today. Helps make a complicated situation understandable:
1) Eliot Spitzer on the Fed:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32124060#32124060
Petition senate to stay and finish health care bill!
http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/dontdelay?source=fdlemail&subsource=ns
B Roll,
I had to laugh when I read the criticism of one of Jacobovici’s works as a “disgusting little exercise in money-making” (from the Wikipedia page you referenced.)
B Roll,
Re: "When I look at the Wikipedia page I see that his films present controversial theory after controversial theory. Theories that, if true, would revolutionize our understanding of ancient history. Most professionals in the field work to find new things and expand our knowledge, but very few revolutionize the field. Jacobovici isn’t a professional in any of these fields, yet he makes films that claim to revolutionize our knowledge in one area after another. I find that hard to believe."
Sadly, I realize I should have verified the source. I will try to be more aware of that in the future. (I am sensitized to look at motivation and background in politics but not so much in science, I guess. Thanks for keeping the discussion "honest." Otherwise, what's the point?)
B Roll,
Re: "But in this case, we’re told that the Jews took a period in Hyskos history in which the Hyskos conquered and ruled one of the most glorious civilizations in history and made it into a story of Jewish slavery and oppression and put it into their holiest book. They completely leave out the part about conquering and ruling Egypt."
Yes, I wondered about this, too. This seemed like a gaping, unverified hole in these theories.
I wholeheartedly agree with your comment: "I’ll say one thing in his possible defense. No matter what the field, members of the establishment will defend the accepted knowledge. In doing so, they’ll often be very vicious."
To me, that is one of the most ironic occurences in scientific study. Science should be about keeping an open mind and allowing new information or ideas to be part of the conversation. Not to acknowlege new information or possible credible ideas is the antithesis of the scientific search for truth. But, just as in politics or other areas of life, people protect their interests. It's really a shame.
Question for Bernie: DFA included John Kerry in their list of Democrats to attack based on a Huff post rumor. I think this was bogus since Kerry is FOR the PUBLIC OPTION. DFA and their associates stood by their stance that it was appropriate to attack Kerry when I asked them to take his name off the attack list.
I think attacking allies for not being perfect is very destructive to the credibility of liberal/progressive activism. There are plenty of real obstructionists to go after without attacking allies.
Question for Ravi Batra: Back last winter you had suggested that Obama not be very aggressive (beyond stimulus) in proposing big economic packages because the recession/depression was going to come anyway no matter what he did. Now in July do you have an update related to the February recommendation to be cautious.
btw, now that Walter Cronkite (previously thought to be "America's most trusted newsman") is no longer with us, Jon Stewart has been voted the bearer of that title in a recent Time poll:
http://www.timepolls.com/hppolls/archive/poll_results_417.html
Here's a shorter video clip of just the Sally Jenkins interview on The Daily Show (see my preceeding post):
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-july-23-2009/sally-jenkins
Interesting interview on The Daily Show last night (a story about the the Civil War I hadn't heard until now.) John Stewart talked with author Sally Jenkins, who wrote a book (The State of Jones) how about how the Civil War was forced by wealthy Southern plantation owners who wanted to protect their interests.
Apparently, according to Jenkins, most of the South would have agreed to eliminate slavery, but a small group with interests vested in the existing system pushed for secession from the Union (min. 13:53, or segment 3 of this clip):
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/239159/thu-july-23-2009-sally-...
Please accept my compliments, Thom. I have long admired your dedication to teaching and I hear you now taking that commitment a step further by actually listening to your callers and allowing them to say things, sometimes somewhat imperfectly, that you have already said. People who find their voices are qualitatively different from those who have not. You help to empower them by allowing them to speak, the altruistic act of a true teacher. As a Progressive myself, I am proud you are one of us.
sanmigmike,
I admit my point could have been clearer but still, you gotta watch that free-association. I could have saved you a paragraph or two if I had been more clear about how I listened to Lt. Col. Peters on O'Reilly and DID NOT hear him utter what this original Hartman story claims he uttered. If you could point me to a link to a transcript that would be helpful. What I did hear was Lt. Col. Peters say was that the captured soldier was a deserter, confirmed by the military. My line about him being one of few who are calling this straight meant that he was one of the few who was describing the soldier as what he was. If Lt. Col. Peters did in fact say those other things I would have denounced them. The US military has a justice system setup for these sort of things and that is the only organization who should deal with the deserter.
"As far as deserting in Iraq or Afghanistan…kind of hard to do that…most of us stand out in those areas."
Not sure what you are basing this on. To desert, you put your weapon down (or don't) and leave your post without authorization. You're post is anywhere you are ordered to be at any given time.
As far as stress between different professions, lets be more clear for purposes of this discussion and speak to those who's day to day tasks are hazardous and who's mission success (you made it out alive among other things) relies on the courage, professionalism and mettle of your fellow team members. Law enforcement, infantry military men and fire fighters could be grouped together in this regard. There are more but you get the point.
"I’d guess a lot of the females in the military might be upset at being expected to be “men”?"
On the contrary, all the women i've worked with (ie. female Marines dropped in to search female Iraqis at different positions/checkpoints) went out of their way to match the professionalism and fortitude of our light armored recon unit I served in. Not assuming they wanted to "be men" like you stated but they wanted to prove they could do a tough job under tough conditions and be a crucial part of the operation. That they were.
Quark,
I meant to write this earlier, but was sidetracked by life. I’m posting this without serious proof reading.)
Interesting! But I became skeptical about 10 seconds into the video. That was when the guy in the baseball cap turned around and I realized he was The Naked Archaeologist. I looked him up and found his name is Simcha Jacobovici.
I have seen a few things he’s done for the History Channel. Watching them, I had a gut feeling that he isn’t credible. I know one thing that bothered me was that it seemed to me that he states a questionable fact or theory, then assumes it to be true, and then uses that “fact” as the basis for a new theory.
I want to get this posted for you, although by now you might not see it until the morning, so I’m not going to watch the video a second time now.
Example: There was no Egyptian record of Hebrew slaves or a massive exodus of foreigners at the time the Jews were supposed to be there. So he suggests maybe they’re looking at the wrong time and he finds a guy who says that if you look a few hundred years later, you find a record of the Hyskos. The Hyskos invaded and colonized part of Egypt for a few hundred years, then began gaining power, ruled for a few centuries and then were expelled.
I hope you remember what Jacobovici did. He took one guy’s theory that the date was wrong and without any other verification, he said something along the lines of we have a new date for the Exodus. Then he turns the Hebrew slaves into the Hyskos rulers.
I imagine that it’s not unusual for one group to adopt and adapt the stories of another culture, but when they do that, I’d think they would take the most glorious parts. But in this case, we’re told that the Jews took a period in Hyskos history in which the Hyskos conquered and ruled one of the most glorious civilizations in history and made it into a story of Jewish slavery and oppression and put it into their holiest book. They completely leave out the part about conquering and ruling Egypt.
Then there’s the mention of the Hyskos multicolored robes, which resonates with the story of Joseph who went to Egypt and returned with a robe of many colors. Maybe I’m looking at this from the wrong perspective, but if the story of story of the Jews in Egypt is really the story of the Hyskos in Egypt, a colored robe wouldn’t be a big enough deal to write about because it would have been very common.
But those are just logical quibbles. The greatest reason I have to doubt Jacobovici’s credibility is what I found on Wikipedia when I looked him up. Look at the page on him there after you finish this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simcha_Jacobovici
What you’ll find is that he isn’t an archaeologist or even a historian. He has a B.A. in Philosophy and an M.A. in International Relations, but he basically works as a film maker.
When you look at the Wikipedia page on him, you see that it’s mostly taken up with criticisms of his work and how he does it. He’s been accused of twisting facts and research. In one case he and his partners are accused of misrepresenting the proceedings of a conference at Princeton University to the media. The way they misrepresented the conference made it look like the thesis is one films is more likely to be true than was actually the case. Around a dozen participants at the conference signed a letter criticizing him for this. One of the signers of this letter cited a leaked memo that indicated that Jacobovici and his partners actually had a plan to try to manipulate the conference to appear to support the ideas presented in their film.
When I look at the Wikipedia page I see that his films present controversial theory after controversial theory. Theories that, if true, would revolutionize our understanding of ancient history. Most professionals in the field work to find new things and expand our knowledge, but very few revolutionize the field. Jacobovici isn’t a professional in any of these fields, yet he makes films that claim to revolutionize our knowledge in one area after another. I find that hard to believe.
I have a feeling that Jacobovici and his work falls into the categories of pseudo-history and pseudo-archaeology. I’ve seen it so many times, along with pseudo-science. They put together the most compelling cases for revolutionary discoveries and theories, but people familiar with the field find these theories to be full of holes. I could give you a zillion stories
I’ll say one thing in his possible defense. No matter what the field, members of the establishment will defend the accepted knowledge. In doing so, they’ll often be very vicious. So, it’s possible that he has raised the hackles of the establishment. But I find it unlikely that Jacobivici could have found reliable revolutionary information about so many topics. Like I said earlier, most professional’s in a field hope to find one or two major new pieces of information.
Quark,
My bad, I thought I was going to be able to get to it earlier. But I just went and looked at yesterday's blog and found the same thing you did... no message from me! I'm going to correct that now, although I have to look a few things up. I'm putting my Tai Chi response team on it right now.
I recall some years ago that former Cincinnati Reds star and baseball analyst Joe Morgan was arrested while walking through an airport to catch a flight. Apparently, the police thought a black man wearing a tailored suit must be a drug-smuggler. When Morgan told them who he was, the police were unimpressed. Later, after Morgan was released after being held on a bogus “contempt of cop” charge, the police chief bewailed the fact that it was always “articulate” minorities who gave them “trouble.” This is obviously applies to the recent incident involving Henry Louis Gates, arrested for not showing the proper “respect” to a white police officer who invaded his home, acting on report from an undoubtedly fearful white person.
Most police officers do frankly operated on the principle of racial stereotypes, or profiling. The “job” of police is to protect white people and their property against potential “predations” of minorities, although crime statistics do generally indicate that whites are more likely to be the victim of another white person. Profiling and stereotypes are so ingrained in the minds of most cops that they see every minority as “the enemy.” Even, apparently, educated, law-abiding—“articulate”—minorities. Why? Because their very existence exposes the underlying racism inherent in policing and society in general. I know, for example, that every time a police officer wants to “talk” to me, he or she is expecting a Spanish speaker or someone otherwise inarticulate that they assume they can bully. It doesn’t take long for them to discover the error in their thinking, but as other minorities like Morgan and Gates discovered, police have this inability to admit their errors—rather choosing to escalate matters in an effort to “excuse” their actions.
I might be too small a fry to detain for “contempt of cop,” but minorities (particularly male) who directly contradict the received stereotypes and in fact are deserving society’s respect (like a Harvard professor) are troublesome for police. They are “troublesome” because police simply do not know how to show respect to a minority they instinctually assume is a potential criminal. Not knowing how to show respect, they nevertheless demand “respect,” and this is where the “trouble” begins. Police who do not show respect do not deserve it themselves.
B Roll,
I went to yesterday's blog and didn't "see" you (or any new messages, at least.)
Shag,
As I'm sure you know, many years ago, a white John Howard Griffin, wrote the book Black Like Me, publicizing journals he kept when he changed his skin and hair color and travelled thru the South as a "black" man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me
I have thought, since then, that living in this country must be a Kafka-esque experience. I can't imagine maintaining the inner strength it would take to endure here. I think I might choose to live in Paris, like Josephine Baker in the 1920s.
Please help me to understand what it takes to live and stay here in spite of everything you must endure. (If my request is presumptuous, please don't hesitate to let me know.)
I certainly do agree with you that an unexamined life is not living up to its potential.
btw, my uncle is a now-retired Episcopal priest who marched with Dr. King. It's too bad there isn't some way we all could "virtually" walk with Dr. King.
Hi,
As a black gentleman from Watts, who grew-up without a dad,(knew him, but he wasn't much of a father) I am annoyed at this crap about "blaming the victims," and too use a rape victim as an analogy was just bad.
People like Revs. Wright, Sharpton and Jackson, are "poverty pimps." They need to keep people mad at "the white man" to keep themselves in business. Gates and many others in black hierarchy, are not all that different. Instead of helping to heal the racial divide, they perpetuate it, just as right-wingers do.
I am with Cosby and the president, in that, we know what historical racism has done to us, but don't let that be an excuse not to attempt to succeed. What's wrong with Obama trying to encourage single moms to go to school, what wrong with telling ment to be a parent, no just a sperm donor.
I am a retired school principal and I'll never forget that my latin students would take any job available whereas, a number of my black students were picky. Going into stores in the community, the majority of workers were latins, for many years. All of a sudden in the last few years, I am seeing almost a fifty/fifty split between black and latin workers.
What happened? Welfare reform meant that one can no longer be on welfare for life, so many more blacks are applying for jobs they wouldn't have thought of doing before.
That situation with Dr. Gates may have been allowed to get out of hand, but I used to be an angry young man, and things could escalate with me from time-to-time. I finally realized alot of the problem was me. Way too many of my people have yet to get this, hence we are 20 percent of the prison population, and only twelve percent of the U.S. population. The AIDS that the guys coming out of pen are gving to women is an epidemic in the black and latin communities.
"Blame the victim" my ass, we need to get a grip, and began to look within.
Republicans aren't even real humans any more, but are now corporations. It doesn't surprise that in everything they do, they strive to externalize costs and internalize profits. The pathetic thing is they feel good inside when they can get one over on their fellow man.
I see this firsthand in my strongly Republican town in the San Joaquin Valley in California, and I walk around shocked and disgusted most of the time. I'll be moving up your way when I can, Thom. I've had it with the heartlessness.
Let me get this straight, Szynal and Peters want the Taliban to do justice on an American military man? Are they then thinking that the Taliban is suitable to come up with a list of war criminals and we should hand them over? I'd think that they would be arguing for him being returned and investigated and punished if convicted of desertion or another crime and not be willing to establish the precedence of the Taliban or another group handling an American's justice. Of course if indeed that is what Peters and Szynal are saying...let GI's and Marines be subject to foreign courts...I must admit that is a very progressive attitude.
While I do think that while we do have a volunteer military now and I also feel that while one takes the "Queen's shilling" one has to do what they signed up I also wonder that if someone breaks at the thought of going overseas to a war zone...how are they going to handle the stress of being there and I'd rather have someone holding my life in their hand's that can handle that load.
We all handle stress in different ways, the problems after WW II (a different time with different standards) are known, and a lot of the problems, kids being abused, wives being abused or just turning into a drunk were "men being men" or they were thought to be "losers". Now we read that the military suicide rate is much higher than the population as a whole and an amazingly high percentage of returning vets have mental or emotional problems and as time goes on and the military gets sent back and back and back those numbers will not drop. It is obvious that some cannot take it and by using them you are putting your life in hands that cannot bear the load
As far as deserting in Iraq or Afghanistan...kind of hard to do that...most of us stand out in those areas.
So many jobs claim..."you just can't understand it". If that is so I guess we can only comment on things we do or have done. I've heard cops say it (I've been one), I've heard firefighters say it, of course the military say it, pilots say it (been one), truckers say it, teachers say it, loggers say it, fishermen say it, farmers say it, I can't think of one group that has not said it. I put my life into hundreds of other people's hands everyday I drive into town and a few weeks ago a person behind me dropped it at it and I have another scar on my face and my back is even worse. Don't like the job and the people you do it with and they don't meet your standards...find another job.
I'd guess a lot of the females in the military might be upset at being expected to be "men"?
The fella from the Ayn Rand Institute suggested that people have the choice not to purchase products that are known to be harmful to our health. The only problem is that these harmful chemicals don't simply accumulate in our bodies and stay there. The production process as well as the disposal of these products are also not regulated, and so these harmful substances leech into our environment and into other places, say, such as into our tap water, as is the case with pharmaceutical drugs. Therefore, an individual has less and less choice as to what chemicals we take into our bodies. His argument simply is not correct. We simply do not have the choices he asserts we indeed do.
Quark,
You ask me "Is there a range of opinions on this by blacks?"
That made me think back to the primaries. Frangela (the two black women who are guests on the Stephanie Miller Show during the last half-hour on Fridays and fill in for her when she's on vacation) were wondering why Obama didn't attend the State of the Black Union conference that Tavis Smiley puts on every year in February (I think). I knew and wrote them that he didn't attend because he chose to launch his presidential primary campaign that weekend in Springfield, Illinois where Abraham Lincoln had launched his.
Then I told them that whenever they had a question about black people and couldn't find the answer they could take advantage of my "Ask a White Man" service. I guess you're my second subscriber. (After sending the email I remembered that there's a guy in Orange County, California named Gustavo Arellano who has a newspaper column called "Ask a Mexican". He also has a book by that name. I felt kind of guilty that I had unconsciously ripped off his concept.)
Back to your question; there are over 40 million African-Americans in this country. Of course there's a range of opinions. But from what I've seen in the media, a large (probably overwhelming) majority can understand Gates anger. A similar though slightly smaller number would believe that race played a big roll in the event.
I have heard Hillary do that to. I think people sometimes do that without even knowing and don't forget, Hillary lived in Arkansas for many years. But God, was that accent awful in that clip. I wonder if Fox, or someone fiddled with the audio. I believe I've heard her speak to a black audience and not sound so bad.
I'd be willing to bet that, at least with some people, picking up the accent and speech patterns is subconscious. A dear friend of mine, a black woman, went to teach in Africa some years ago. After a while, I noticed when we talked on the phone, she would roll her R's when she spoke. I mentioned it to her and she wasn't even aware of doing it. It took her a while, after getting back to the states, to stop rolling her R's.
I agree about just being yourself. I think part of the reason I get along well with blacks is because I just be myself. But myself is a very multicultural person, having lived much of my life in mixed communities.
Richard Adlof ,
Re: "Reid does not like confrontation with Republicans . . . With Republicans, he rols over and presents his soft under-belly."
I can just hear him saying, "rub my tummy, rub my tummy!"
B Roll,
I hate to use Fox "News" as a reference, but here's a clip of Hillary using the same kind of drawl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI
Having never had an occasion to address a large crowd of Southern blacks, I don't know if this is supposed to be flattering or not. I can only say that I would attempt to "be myself" as a white person. I would feel like a phony otherwise.
Obama surely didn't grow up (in Hawaii) with a southern accent. I question his use of it, too, I guess. Is there a range of opinions on this by blacks?