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  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 49 weeks ago

    Published on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 by Common Dreams

    "The Fascists Are Coming for Your Social Security and Medicare

    The warning signs are already here." --by Thom Hartmann:

    The billionaire fascists are coming for your Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And they’re openly bragging about it.

    Right after Trump’s election, back in December of 2016, Newt Gingrich openly bragged at the Heritage Foundation that the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress were going to “break out of the Franklin Delano Roosevelt model.” That “model,” of course, created what we today refer to as “the middle class.”

    This week Mitch McConnell confirmed Gingrich’s prophecy, using the huge deficits created by Trump’s billionaire tax cuts as an excuse to destroy “entitlement” programs.

    “I think it would be safe to say that the single biggest disappointment of my time in Congress has been our failure to address the entitlement issue, and it’s a shame, because now the Democrats are promising Medicare for All,” McConnell told Bloomberg. He added, “[W]e’re talking about Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid.”

    These programs, along with free public education and progressive taxation, are the core drivers and maintainers of the American middle class. History shows that without a strong middle class, democracy itself collapses, and fascism is the next step down a long and terrible road.

    Ever since the election of Ronald Reagan, Republicans have been working overtime to kneecap institutions that support the American middle class. And, as any working-class family can tell you, the GOP has had some substantial successes, particularly in shifting both income and political power away from voters and toward billionaires and transnational corporations.

    In July of 2015, discussing SCOTUS’s 5 to 4 conservative vote on Citizens United, President Jimmy Carter told me: “It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery…” He added: “[W]e’ve just seen a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors…”

    As Princeton researchers Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page demonstrated in an exhaustive analysis of the difference between what most Americans want their politicians to do legislatively, versus what American politicians actually do, it’s pretty clear that President Carter was right.

    They found that while the legislative priorities of the top 10 percent of Americans are consistently made into law, things the bottom 90 percent want are ignored. In other words, today in America, democracy only “works” for the top 10 percent of Americans.

    For thousands of years, economists and economic observers from Aristotle to Adam Smith to Thomas Piketty have told us that a “middle class” is not a normal byproduct of raw, unregulated capitalism—what right-wing ideologues call “the free market.”

    Instead, unregulated markets—particularly markets not regulated by significant taxation on predatory incomes—invariably lead to the opposite of a healthy middle class: they produce extremes of inequality, which are as dangerous to democracy as cancer is to a living being.

    With so-called “unregulated free markets,” the rich become super-rich, while grinding poverty spreads among working people like a heroin epidemic. This further polarizes the nation, both economically and politically, which, perversely, further cements the power of the oligarchs.

    While there’s a clear moral dimension to this—pointed out by Adam Smith in his classic Theory of Moral Sentiments—there’s also a vital political dimension.

    Smith noted, in 1759, that, “All constitutions of government are valued only in proportion as they tend to promote the happiness of those who live under them. This is their sole use and end.”

    Smith added a cautionary note, however: “[The] disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition… is the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments.”

    Jefferson was acutely aware of this: the Declaration of Independence was the first founding document of any nation in the history of the world that explicitly declared “happiness” as a “right” that should be protected and promoted by government against predations by the very wealthy.

    That was not at all, however, a consideration for the architects of supply-side Reaganomics, although they appropriated JFK’s “rising tide lifts all boats” metaphor to sell their hustle to (boatless) working people.

    Far more troubling (and well-known to both Smith and virtually all of our nation’s founders), however, was Aristotle’s observation that when a nation pursues economic/political activities that destroy its middle class, it will inevitably devolve either into mob rule or oligarchy. As he noted in Politics:

    “Now in all states there are three elements: one class is very rich, another very poor, and a third in a mean. … But a [government] ought to be composed, as far as possible, of equals and similars; and these are generally the middle classes. …

    “Thus it is manifest that the best political community is formed by citizens of the middle class, and that those states are likely to be well-administered in which the middle class is large, and stronger if possible than both the other classes, or at any rate than either singly; for the addition of the middle class turns the scale, and prevents either of the extremes from being dominant.”

    This is how America was for the Boomer generation until about two decades ago: a 30-year-old in the 1970s had a 90 percent chance of having or attaining a higher standard of living than his or her parents. But, since the 1980s introduction of Reaganomics, there’s been more than a 70 percent drop in “social mobility”—the ability to move from one economic station of life into a better one.

    So, if our democratic republic is to return to democracy and what’s left of our middle class is to survive (or even grow), how do we do that?

    History shows that the two primary regulators within a capitalist system that provide for the emergence of a middle class are progressive taxation and a healthy social safety net.

    As Jefferson noted in a 1785 letter to Madison, “Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.”

    Similarly, Thomas Paine, proposing in Agrarian Justice (1797) what we today call Social Security, said that a democracy can only survive when its people “[S]ee before them the certainty of escaping the miseries that under other governments accompany old age…” Such a strong social safety net, Paine argued, “will have an advocate and an ally in the heart of all nations.”

    Tragically, Republicans are today planning to destroy both our nation’s progressive taxation system and our social safety net, in obsequious service to their billionaire paymasters.

    Flipping Jefferson and FDR on their heads, Republicans last year passed a multi-trillion-dollar tax break for the rich, with a few-hundred-dollars bone tossed in for working people.

    Meanwhile, Republicans are already hard at work dismantling the last remnants of the New Deal and the Great Society.

    As Ian Milhiser notes, “Republicans in the House hope to cut Social Security benefits by 20–50 percent. Speaker Paul Ryan’s plan to voucherize Medicare would drive up out-of-pocket costs for seniors by about 40 percent. Then he’d cut Medicaid by between a third and a half.”

    This is not, of course, the first time Republicans have tried this. They’ve been trying to dismantle Social Security since 1936, and Reagan himself even recorded a 33 RPM LP calling LBJ’s Great Society proposal for a program called “Medicare” as “socialism,” saying that if it passed then one day we’d all look back “remembering the time when men were free.”

    And it’s always been in service to the same agenda—handing political and economic power over the morbidly rich and the corporations that got them there.

    In earlier times, we had a word for this takeover of democracy by the morbidly rich and the corporations: fascism.

    As I’ve written before, in early 1944, the New York Times asked Vice President Henry Wallace to, as Wallace noted, “write a piece answering the following questions: What is a fascist? How many fascists have we? How dangerous are they?”

    Vice President Wallace’s answer to those questions was published in the New York Times on April 9, 1944, at the height of the war against the Axis powers of Germany and Japan.

    “The really dangerous American fascists,” Wallace wrote, “are not those who are hooked up directly or indirectly with the Axis. The FBI has its finger on those. ... The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information.

    “With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public,” Wallace continued, “but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power.”

    In this, Wallace was using the classic definition of the word “fascist”—the definition Mussolini had in mind when he claimed to have invented the word.

    As the 1983 American Heritage Dictionary noted, fascism is: “A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.”

    Vice President Wallace bluntly laid out in his 1944 Times article his concern about the same happening here in America: “American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition among the cartelists, [and] the deliberate poisoners of public information...”

    He could have been describing Fox, right-wing hate radio, and the billionaires who keep today’s GOP in power.

    Noting that, “Fascism is a worldwide disease,” Wallace further suggested that fascism’s “greatest threat to the United States will come after the war” and will manifest “within the United States itself.”

    Watching the Republicans of his day work from the same anti-worker playbook they are today, Wallace added:

    “Still another danger is represented by those who, paying lip service to democracy and the common welfare, in their insatiable greed for money and the power which money gives, do not hesitate surreptitiously to evade the laws designed to safeguard the public from monopolistic extortion.”

    As Wallace wrote, some in big business “are willing to jeopardize the structure of American liberty to gain some temporary advantage.”

    In a comment prescient of Donald Trump’s trashing of “Mexican rapists” and “gangs” in Chicago, Wallace wrote:

    “The symptoms of fascist thinking are colored by environment and adapted to immediate circumstances. But always and everywhere they can be identified by their appeal to prejudice and by the desire to play upon the fears and vanities of different groups in order to gain power.

    “It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice.”

    And that prejudice would be exploited to win elections so that the fascists could rob the people and enhance their own power and wealthy.

    But even at this, Wallace noted, American fascists would still have to lie to the people in order to gain power. And if the day ever came when a billionaire opened a “news” network just to promote fascist thinking, they could promote their lies with ease.

    “The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact,” Wallace wrote. “Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism. They use every opportunity to impugn democracy.”

    In his strongest indictment of the tide of fascism the vice president of the United States saw rising in America, he added:

    “They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that using the power of the State and the power of the market simultaneously they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”

    In the election of 2018, we stand at a crossroad that Roosevelt and Wallace only imagined.

    Billionaire-funded fascism is rising in America, calling itself “conservativism” and “Trumpism.”

    The Republican candidates’ and their billionaire donors’ behavior today eerily parallels that day in 1936 when Roosevelt said, “In vain they seek to hide behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the flag and the Constitution stand for.” President Roosevelt and Vice President Wallace’s warnings are more urgent now than ever before.

    If Trump and the billionaire fascists who bankroll the Republicans succeed in destroying the last supports for America’s enfeebled middle class, including Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid—and succeed in blocking any possibility of Medicare for All or free college and trade school—not only will the bottom 90 percent of Americans suffer, but what little democracy we have left in this republic will evaporate. History, from Greek and Roman times through Europe in the first half of the 20th century, suggests it will probably be replaced by a violent, kleptocratic oligarchy that no longer shrinks from words like “fascist.”

    The warning signs are already here, and, in the face of nationwide election fraud based in Republican voter purges, we must turn out massive numbers if we’re to preserve the American Dream and finally make it available to all.

    This article was produced by the Independent Media Institute.

  • Banding Together for the Common Good   5 years 50 weeks ago

    There is a lot of wisdom in this article. People definitely need to work together to survive because if you don't some will propser and many will not. This is the type of system I believe in. We work as a team in my business and everyone does well at my https://appliancerepairleader.com appliance repair company. I would hate to have employees that bust their humps for me not be able to make ends meet.

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    DianeR,

    It's a multi prong attack....really needs to stop on all levels.

    This lawlessness is going to bite them in the....donkey!

    If no one will go by rules it's every person for them self... the strongest survive. Sounds like acient history to me.... Or Portland, Honduras, the middle east, Africa, Haiti et al.

    more on Ca. voting...DMV & more.

    http://capitolweekly.net/partisanship-roils-voting-reform-efforts/

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    HotCoffee,

    Anyone asking just who is financing this "sudden" migration? Winter is coming to the US so I find the timing of this flood of children that will be "RIPPED" from their mothers breasts to be a bit suspicious?

    Who is providing the logistics, food, water, sanitary conditions, shelter at night, etc. Did they time this to be at our door just before the midterms? Have the alt-lefties already got pictures of kids in cages? Do they have interviews with distraught parents that don't even know the name of the prop that they dragged with them. I can imagine leftie/socialist radio bobbleheads reading stories provided to them from the mooks following along step by agonizing step trying to create a suitable picture of despair.

    I suspect Mexico has learned their lesson and will take care of the issue.

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    More great pics of the women and children in the caravan.

    Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6293893/Leading-supporter-giant-caravan-Honduran-migrants-headed-border-arrested.html

    https://apnews.com/d52af53fc55b49cdbd320df9a19ff626

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    coalage,

    Avanatti ....I've heard of Ambulance chasers but he's the first Porn chaser I've run into.

    What a sad excuse for a human being.

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    DS,

    Lord have mercy DS are you ok? You actually said something nice, well nice for you anyway! And I actually agree with you.

    No hard feelings DS, I know you'll come around and wake up eventually! :)

    "See ya around somewhere in the mud and the blood, HotCoffee. Ha ha, you've been a fairly good sport despite my Irish browbeating and name-calling. Nothing personal; as anonymous bloggers, we're just digits and data, zeros and ones, trapped in website software. But, somewhere behind the facade, we're all humans who share a common destiny and a common humanity that simply must prevail against lies and violence.

    };--))"

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    DianeR,

    Geez it's everywhere.

    Texas Democrats Ask Non-Citizens To Register To Vote, Pre-Checked Citizenship Box On Applications, Report Says

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/37334/texas-democrats-ask-non-citizens-register-vote-ryan-saavedra

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    DianeR,

    A good Morning to you!

    Speaking of Puerta Rico one home design I was speaking of to DS is made in Puerta Rico.

    All the rebuilding there should be done this way.

    The technology to build fire-resistant homes, called “Structural Cement Insulated Panels” (SCIP). It was invented and patented in the 1960’s through the 1990’s. Wood construction costs have become so expensive, this technology is now economically competitive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJekgKmro_Y

    also

    http://cscda.org/Infrastructure-Finance-Programs/Statewide-Community-Infrastructure-Program-(SCIP)/SCIP-Presentation/SCIP-Presentation-12-15-20141.aspx

    So many solutions to the problems are available but not promoted.

    Nellie Orr testifies today....more rope to hang themselves with! Enjoy the show.

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    DS,

    Trump signs ocean plastics pollution law. Of course not reported by CNN or MSNBC.

    http://www.plasticsnews.com/article/20181012/NEWS/181019959/trump-signs-ocean-plastics-pollution-law

    We need our oceans cleaned up right DS?

    What if Trump cares more than you can posibly give him credit for? He has children too.

    The left has screamed Russia Russia Russia for 2 years now, they really seem to want to start a war with Russia...will that be good for the enviornment? While Trump is stopping Russia from taking over the energy market leftists fight him every step of the way. Instead they cheer Hillary's plastic red reset button.

    Today, right now, they are burning tires to poison the air the Isreal breathe. Ever hear Amy Goodman complain about that? Or Thom for that matter?

    So now we have 4000 or so people headed for the US....Plus the 1000 or so that come everyday...geez only another 165,000,000 worldwide that want to come to this...according to the left ...horrid country. All financed by the hated worldwide George Soros. Talk about scum.

    Where do you plan to put them DS? Cut down how many trees for how many houses...or just let them live in the street like our Americans are doing? How much water will 4000 people need...while California charges more & more for every drop? Do you think we could build houses out of something other than trees? I do. SF wastes more water in one year of broken pipes lines than Northern Ca. ( where the water is ) can save in 5 years.

    What did Gavin do to fix the problem....nothing!

    All the while your hollywood spokpersons sit in their gated frenced estates filling there swimming pools and telling everyone else how to live.

    So yes I'm sitting here saving my 80 acres of trees and promoting homes not built from trees, loving the wildlife and appreciating the real men & women that live here. Also working with people from all over the world on alternative decentralized enery projects since 1972.

    What are you doing besides Bitchin?

    I could go on & on....but later for that.

  • With The Dalai Lama   5 years 50 weeks ago

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  • Mom and Dad   5 years 50 weeks ago

    Chatting with the barrista at my favourite Crouch End café this morning stirred a thought. I would rather vote for the BNP than let my three year old eat anything sold in Asda! 192.168.l.l

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    Morning HotCoffee, Here is another beauty. Remember the wise ass mayor of San Juan who spent her hours on CNN and MSNBC bashing Trump for not stopping the hurricane that hit Puerto Rico? I am sure Thom was going to do a story on this but hasen't quite got around to doing it yet. Funny how dirty democrat party shit gets "misplaced" by the radio bobblehead leftie/socialists.

    "Trump-Bashing Mayor’s Office Gets Surprise Visit from FBI After Allegations of Corruption"

    https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/trump-bashing-mayor-gets-surprise-visit-fbi-allegations-corruption/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=ct-breaking&utm_content=western-journal

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    As to Sen. Warren, she may have really thought that she was part Cherokee. As it turns out, aren't we all? Her bigger problem is that she chose to try and profit from this supposed heritage when it really wasn't accurate.

    Now, given the current state of democratic identity minority grieved politics, one can hardly blame Pocahontas, err Sen Warren, for trying to parlay this into an opporunity for 2020. She was just trying to shore up her alleged minorty bona fides. But she's way behind Sen. Harris, in particular, and Spartacus Booker in the minority category. She might be female, but she is an old white female. And now you got old white guy Joe Biden trying to drum up support. Good luck with that. Plus old white Joe is known to be a little "handsy" around women.

    In the democratic party of today, the more minority status one can claim, the better. I wonder what Avenatti is going to do to claim some kind of minority status.

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    I don't think you deliberately lie in your own personal quest for the truth; although, you do post and repost a lot of the same garbage from the right-wing blogosphere as do the deliberate liars, especially the Hillary-haters. But, I get it. It's easy to succumb to the overwhelming tidal wave of half truths and big lies splashing back and forth on the internet from all sides.

    As much as humanly possible, I'm only interested in getting at the total truth of things, however painful, beyond petty opinions and politics -- mine or anyone else's. Besides, mere words cannot paper over the big-picture reality of extreme wealth disparity, endless warfare for profit, environmental degradation, the poisoning of political discourse with lies on top of lies on top of lies, and of course, the most important issue facing all of us: anthropogenic climate disruption.

    Violence against the planet itself is the single worst act of destructive behavior of which Homo sapiens are capable.

    Everything else pales in comparison to that issue, the denial of which has become a virtual article of faith in most Republican circles -- pretty much the last group of people on Earth who don't take it seriously. I mean really, really seriously -- enough to have meaningful impact. The problem is that this tiny cabal of denialists happens to be the most powerful group on the planet at the moment. Soon, hopefully, their ascendancy will end as public outrage and popular votes steer us back to some semblance of sanity.

    Meanwhile, Republicans are squandering their power, which, if applied with intelligence and a conscience, could change things for the better. Instead, they've sold us out to transnational billionaire fascists (many holding U.S. passports) who are busily destroying democracies everywhere as they consolidate more and more wealth into fewer and fewer hands. That kind of power rises above the power of any individual nation, including even the United States.

    After assessing the exhaustive and ongoing research, the latest IPCC report has radically moved up the timeline of dire consequences and now estimates that we have about twelve years left to rein in the explosion of carbon and methane into the atmosphere and the oceans before we lose our ability to mitigate the worst effects of global warming going into the future. That is untold violence against succeeding generations.

    https://www.ipcc.ch/news_and_events/pr_181008_P48_spm.shtml

    And the report also concludes that to turn things around in the narrowing window of opportunity left before reaching the irreversible tipping point, we as a species must somehow put all politics aside and get all hands on deck. Immediately! One hundred percent of the top, most respected climate scientists around the world are shouting from the rooftops. We had better heed their warning before it's too late.

    When one peels away the onion (Yes, it makes tears run down cheeks.) and begins to discover root causes, it becomes quite apparent that the greed of the few over the many has led to indescribable anguish and violence across the planet. Unchecked money-grubbing materialism and obsessive affluenza are very literally ruining our society and natural environment and killing people and other living things at a magnitude much greater than any other period of history.

    Without mincing words, the world is burning up, wars and rumors of war are everywhere, and species are dying off at alarming rates. All that, just so a few billionaires can pocket a few more bucks to buy a few more luxurious mansions and garish yachts -- at our expenses and those of our children! Sadly, due to heavy, nonstop propaganda emanating from their omnipresent, self-serving "think" tanks and disseminated throughout the media landscape, the decadent interests of sociopathic greed-heads have, over long decades of avarice, slowly and subtly morphed into our interests as well.

    Strange how that works, gas-lighting on a monumental scale. Never underestimate the gullibility of the masses. Just watch a Trump rally as he spews out violent lie after violent lie.

    This year "Earth Overshoot Day" was August 2nd, Next year it will probably be in the last few days of July, as our ominous date with destiny inexorably marches backward on the calendar, until the sands of time trickle away. Each year we are consuming more and more, so Overshoot Day is when humans have devoured more resources than Spaceship Earth can replenish. How completely idiotic and foolhardy is that?! How violent is that?!

    In a colossal understatement, this won't end well. Escaping to an uninhabitable Mars or to some other Earth-like planet far, far away is an unachievable pipe dream at our current level of technology. Our species will need a lot more time than we have left, if we don't change our ways, for those fantasies to come true. As we spiral downward faster and faster into an unsustainable existence on a dying planet in a cold universe, there is simply no other option than to significantly curtail our excessive habits of overconsumption and to radically reduce our gigantic carbon footprint -- dramatically and quickly!

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/08/03/humanity-officially-consumed-more-earth-produce-year/#10bb300f59a4

    See ya around somewhere in the mud and the blood, HotCoffee. Ha ha, you've been a fairly good sport despite my Irish browbeating and name-calling. Nothing personal; as anonymous bloggers, we're just digits and data, zeros and ones, trapped in website software. But, somewhere behind the facade, we're all humans who share a common destiny and a common humanity that simply must prevail against lies and violence.

    };--))

  • What's the Trump administration doing in the face of the rise of armed hatred in the United States?   5 years 50 weeks ago

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  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    Well, professor HotStuff, your methodology is lacking proper scientific agency. Too bad, too, since it looks like you wasted a lot of time digging around, cherry-picking articles to match your foregone conclusions. Better leave science to the professionals, HotDoc.

    What, did your menfolk fail to repair that one-lane bridge into your isolated, inbred neck of the woods up Pig-f*ck Draw, and you're stuck with shallow entertainment again, sitting in your little space cruisin' the alt-net and partakin' of the product of backwoods Cali-fornicators -- smokin' the ganja are ya, lassie?

    Oh yeah, in case you're wondering about the meaning of all those hard-to-understand words in the first paragraph all jumbled up in your amateurish, altered state of Republican mindset, the overly excessive oversampling you painstakingly, ah, "researched" is completely biased, since it only includes the violence perpetrated by one side of the equation. No, quantity doesn't mean quality; but I'm certainly not going to waste my time verifying the accuracy of your long list of tainted bullsh*t.

    No doubt the much, much longer list of fully documented articles that report the violence of Trump supporters would take up all five pages of this thread, and many more.

    But let it suffice just to repeat a small sampling of Trump's violent rhetoric from the podium of most influence -- such a paragon of nonviolence, he is an example to all citizens of how to conduct themselves in the political arena. Out of the nearly endless articles to choose from, I opted for only a few samples that are typical. The ones most poignant feature Maxine Waters, a favorite punching bag who drives white-wingers crazy angry with blind rage ...an uppity black ...and a woman!

    You go, Maxine:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/394087-maxine-waters-reads-list-of-times-trump-has-called-for-violence

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/jun/26/have-us-rep-maxine-waters-and-president-donald-tru/

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-trump-comments-perceived-encouraging-violence/story?id=48415766

    And white-supremacist, misogynistic apples don't fall far from the tree. It is you who must "admit the truth of who is starting the violence." Instead of always projecting your delusions onto others, why not try a little self-reflection for once?

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    I'll stick to just this year....and then you might admit the truth of who is starting the violence.

    1. October 16, 2018: Person claimed ricin was in letter sent to Senator Collins home
    2. October 16, 2018: Republican candidate Shane Mekeland punched in Minnesota restaurant
    3. October 16, 2018: Gov. Cuomo (D-NY) Blames GOP for Antifa Attack on Manhattan Club
    4. October 16, 2018: Republican State Rep. Sarah Anderson assaulted in Minnesota
    5. October 16, 2018: DFL Employee Calls for Republicans to be Beheaded
    6. October 12, 2018: Antifa Smash Windows, Deface Doors of Metropolitan Republican Club in Manhattan
    7. October 11, 2018: Anti-Trump Protester Threatens to Rape Conservative Reporter
    8. October 11, 2018: A truck with ‘Trump 2020’ bumper stickers was left at a bar overnight. Someone set it on fire.
    9. October 10, 2018: Susan Rice’s Republican Son Assaulted at Pro-Kavanaugh Event
    10. October 10, 2018: Eric Holder Tells Dem Activists: ‘When They Go Low, We Kick ‘Em’
    11. October 10, 2018: CNN says mobs have “constitutional right” to chase Republicans out of restaurants
    12. October 9, 2018: Hillary Clinton opposes “civility” with Republicans.
    13. October 8, 2018: Raw Story’s Editor: Steve Scalise ‘Accomplice’ to His Attempted Murder
    14. October 8, 2018: Leftist Teacher Tweets: “So Who’s Gonna Take One For the Team and Kill Kavanaugh?”
    15. October 8, 2018: Antifa Takes Over Portland, Harasses Old Man for Disobeying
    16. October 8, 2018: Rand Paul’s Wife: I Sleep with a Loaded Gun Thanks to Leftists’ Threats
    17. October 7, 2018: Sen. Cory Gardner claims wife received a beheading video over Kavanaugh vote.
    18. October 6, 2018: Kavanaugh Protesters Accost an Elderly Trump Supporter
    19. October 6, 2018: Sen. Collins Flooded with Abusive Tweets Threatening Death, Violence
    20. October 5, 2018: Protesters Chase Graham To His Car Saying They Will Remove Him From Office
    21. October 4, 2018: Republican Senators Hit With Death Threats Amidst Kavanaugh Fight
    22. October 3, 2018: Ricin and threatening letter sent to Trump
    23. October 2, 2018: 2 hospitalized after exposure to powdery substance at Cruz’s Houston campaign office
    24. October 2, 2018: GOP Congressman Andy Harris (R-MD) assaulted by protesters
    25. October 2, 2018: Video: Leftist protester kicks pro-life woman
    26. October 1, 2018: Vandals Hit IL GOP Headquarters With ‘RAPE’ Graffiti
    27. October 1, 2018: Senator Mitch McConnell Badgered At Airport By Anti-Kavanaugh Activists
    28. September 30, 2018: Georgetown prof: White GOP senators in Kavanaugh hearing ‘deserve miserable deaths’
    29. September 27, 2018: Republican Senators doxxed by Democrat Congressional intern
    30. September 25, 2018: CNN Defends harassment of Ted Cruz
    31. September 25, 2018: Ted Cruz and Wife harassed out of DC restaurant
    32. September 20, 2018: Brett Kavanaugh and family receive death threats
    33. September 12, 2018: Resistance Makes Rape Threat to Susan Collins Staffer over Kavanaugh Vote
    34. September 11, 2018: DC police investigate threat to commit mass shooting at a MAGA event in Trump International Hotel
    35. September 11, 2018: Threats of Rape and Strangling’ Force Writer Into Hiding After Anti-Abortion Tweet
    36. September 11, 2018: Trump Hater Attacks California GOP House Candidate wth Switchblade
    37. September 10, 2018: Hispanic Immigrant says she was spit on in Santa Monica for Trump hat.
    38. September 10,2018: Broadway Star Carole Cook on Trump: ‘Where’s John Wilkes Booth When you Need Him?
    39. September 6, 2018: Media and Leftists Harass Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) and His Family
    40. September 6, 2018: Black Trump Fan Booted from Bar for Wearing Trump Hat
    41. September 6, 2018: Arsonists hit Albany County GOP Headquarters in Laramie, WY.
    42. September 5, 2018: TV Writer Hopes Kavanaugh Daughters ‘Go to School Without Being Shot’
    43. August 31, 2018: Dem Rep. Ruben Gallego Threatens Immigration Officials
    44. August 28, 2018: California student arrested for stealing MAGA hat from classmate, slapping teacher
    45. August 19, 2018: Dad Dares Daughter To Knock Off Guy’s MAGA Hat For 100 Bucks. She Does It.
    46. August 18, 2018: Trump supporter assaulted by aging punk rocker.
    47. August 14, 2018: CNN’s Chris Cuomo justifies and encourages violence against Trump supporters.
    48. August 12, 2018: TX Restaurant forced to close social media accounts over photo of Jeff Sessions
    49. August 9, 2018: FBI announce arrest for contract killing threat of ICE agent via Twitter
    50. August 9, 2018: Antifa blocks Infowars reporter’s access to park
    51. August 8, 2018: Democrat protester harass GOP rep. “Shame on your Mexican wife!”
    52. August 6, 2018: Infowars reported harassed by Antifa in Portland
    53. August 6, 2018: FL: Vandals throw dead fish on Lee Co. Republican headquarters
    54. August 4, 2018: Trump supporter’s car has all 4 tires slashed in Philly.
    55. August 4, 2018: Left-wing terrorists Antifa follow and harass Candace Owens
    56. August 3, 2018: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland, With the Mayor’s Blessing
    57. August 2, 2018: Man arrested for threatening Rep. SteveScalise
    58. August 1, 2018: Woman charged with trying to hit man with her car over Trump sticker
    59. July 26, 2018: KY: Fayette County GOP headquarters vandalized
    60. July 26, 2018: Trump supporter punched in Hollywood
    61. July 25, 2018: Trump’s Hollywood Walk of Fame star destroyed … again.
    62. July 25, 2018: Man arrested, indicted on charges after allegedly threatening Congresswoman Diane Black
    63. July 24, 2018: Sen Cory Booker (D-NJ) Says Brett Kavanaugh supporters are “complicit in evil”
    64. July 23, 2018: Denver Post Runs Letter to Editor Suggesting Trump Should Be Executed
    65. July 23, 2018: Elizabeth Warren Supporter Shoves Challenger
    66. July 20, 2018: Green-Haired “Gender Fluid” Guy Spits All Over Teen’s MAGA Hat
    67. July 20, 2018: ‘Hang Trump’ Shirt Peddled on Facebook
    68. July 19, 2018: ‘New Yorker’ Kills Trump
    69. July 19, 2018: CA Anti-Trump Protesters Target Legal Immigrant’s Cafe Over Trump Support, Hurl Feces
    70. July 17, 2018: Uber Driver Refuses to Serve Black Conservatives Over MAGA Hat
    71. July 17, 2018: Gory Trump Throat-Cutting Art Decorates Portland Gallery
    72. July 16, 2018: House Democrat Calls For ‘Military Folks’ To ‘Stop Trump’
    73. July 16, 2018: Mob chases pro-Trump group out of Los Angeles bar
    74. July 15, 2018: Anti-Trump Paraglider Who Buzzed Trump Visit Arrested in Britain
    75. July 15, 2018: Former Clinton WH Staffer: It’s ‘Tempting’ to Beat up Rand Paul
    76. July 13, 2018: Anti-Israel protesters harass Jared and Ivanka with loud speakers outside their home
    77. July 13, 2018: 76-year-old man assaulted by anti-Trump thugs in San Diego.
    78. July 11, 2018: ABC’s Terry Moran shames Fox News’s Shannon Bream for feeling threatened at SCOTUS protest
    79. July 10, 2018: Protesters arrested, accused of assaulting officer at Portland ICE office
    80. July 10, 2018: Man threatens to ‘curb stomp’ Trump supporter at Disneyland
    81. July 10, 2018: Fox News Reporter Harassed, Threatened And Forced To Leave Supreme Court By Leftist Mob
    82. July 9, 2018: Far-left blog Talking Points Memo mocks Stephen Miller over report of confrontation with bartender.
    83. July 9, 2018: Trump senior aide Stephen Miller harassed on street by angry bartender.
    84. July 9, 2018: Motorists scream curse words at Sean Spicer in his yard.
    85. July 9, 2018: Trump senior aide Kellyanne Conway harassed in grocery store
    86. July 9, 2018: Anti-Trump activists vandalize New York DHS office
    87. July 8, 2018: LISTEN: Idaho GOP Rep. Receives Threatening Voicemails, Emails Because of This Facebook Post
    88. July 8, 2018: Longtime Hillary Clinton aide publishes contact information about bookstore owner who stopped the harassment of Steve Bannon, Reines’s obvious goal is to see the bookstore owner harassed.
    89. July 8, 2018: Far-left Daily Beast writer defends public harassment of Steve Bannon
    90. July 7, 2018: Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) menaced outside restaurant. We know where you live!
    91. July 7, 2018: Steve Bannon harassed at bookstore; police called
    92. July 7, 2018: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists attack peaceful Tommy Robinson supporters in San Francisco
    93. July 7, 2018: New York Times editorial calls for Dems to “take a page from The Godfather” to “go to the mattresses” to stop Trump’s Supreme Court nominee.
    94. July 6, 2018: BLM activist calls for assassination of Supreme Court Justice
    95. July 6, 2018: Brick Thrown Through Front Door Of Wheeling, IL, Township Republican Headquarters
    96. July 6, 2018: CNN analyst justifies violence against Trump supporters
    97. July 6, 2018: Long Island Man Threatened to Kill Supporters of Republican Congressman, Trump: Police
    98. July 6, 2018: Florida man attacked over Trump flag in yard.
    99. July 6, 2018: Woman threatens to stab Alan Dershowitz in heart.
    100. July 5, 2018: Founder of #WalkAway campaign refused service at camera store.
    101. July 5, 2018: Trump supporter wearing Make America Great Again hat allegedly assaulted in burger joint (video at link).
    102. July 4, 2018: Paul Begala Reportedly Sending Serial-Harasser Mike Stark To Harass Barbara Comstock July 4th
    103. July 3, 2018: Left-wing Catholic calls for sending Trump supporters to the guillotine
    104. July 3, 2018: Nebraska GOP office vandalized.
    105. July 3, 2018: EPA head Scott Pruitt harassed at restaurant.
    106. July 2, 2018: MAGA hat wearer harassed at seafood restaurant
    107. July 2, 2018: Mother of cancer survivor harassed online for thanking Eric Trump for $16 million in St. Jude support
    108. July 2, 2018: Cher accuses ICE of “Gestapo tactics.”
    109. July 2, 2018: Man accused of threatening to kill Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and his family.
    110. July 1, 2018: Washington Post reporter publicly calls on mobs to give Trump officials a “life sentence” of harassment.
    111. July 1, 2018: Man wearing MAGA hat refused service in restaurant.
    112. July 1, 2018: AntiFa terrorists attack Patriot Prayer rally in Portland.
    113. June 30, 2018: Attorney Attacks Elderly Vet at “Keeping Families Together” March
    114. June 29, 2018: Media falsely blame Trump for murder of five journalists in Maryland.
    115. June 29, 2018: Hollywood actor calls on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to be harassed at “every meal.”
    116. June 29, 2018: California man accused of threatening to kill FCC Chairman Ajit Pai’s children.
    117. June 28, 2018: Reuters editor says Trump has blood on his hands for murder of five journalists in Maryland. He still has a job.
    118. June 28, 2018: Singer John Legend praises and agrees with Rep. Maxine Waters for calling on mobs to publicly harass Trump officials out of public spaces like restaurants.
    119. June 28, 2018: Journalist lies about Maryland mass-shooter being a Trump supporter.
    120. June 28, 2018: Co-Chair of Women for Trump Receives Death Threats After CNN Appearance
    121. June 28, 2018: Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) calls on “angry” Latinos to oust Trump.
    122. June 27, 2018: Media defend and champion Virginia restaurant owner who kicked White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders and her family out, and then reportedly harassed them as they ate at a nearby restaurant.
    123. June 26, 2018: Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao harassed at home by protesters.
    124. June 26, 2018: Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH) blames President Trump for her intern yelling “Fuck you!” at him through the halls of the U.S. Capitol. The intern was not fired.
    125. June 26, 2018: Comedienne Kathy Griffin attacks the Trump administration as “pro-Nazi.” Obviously, once you describe someone as a Nazi, you are calling for violence against them.
    126. June 26, 2018: Chicago bar refuses to serve Trump supporters.
    127. June 26, 2018: Singer John Legend calls on Trump officials to be harassed until our immigration policies are weakened.
    128. June 26, 2018: Late night comedians celebrate the harassment of Sarah Sanders and her family.
    129. June 25, 2018: Burned animal carcass left on Trump staffer’s porch.
    130. June 25, 2018: After refusing to serve Sarah Sanders and the family, we learn a restaurant owner then organized a mob to harass Sanders’ family at a nearby restaurant.
    131. June 25, 2018: Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) calls on mobs to confront Trump officials over immigration policies.
    132. June 25, 2018: CNN contributor attacks those on the right calling for civility.
    133. June 25, 2018: CNN’s Jake Tapper dismisses harassment of Sarah Sanders as a political ploy on Sander’s part.
    134. June 24, 2018: Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) publicly calls on mobs to “turn on” Trump officials, to “harass” them, ensure they “they won’t be able to go to a restaurant, they won’t be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store.”
    135. June 23, 2018: Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi harassed, menaced, and reportedly spit at by left-wing protesters at movie theater.
    136. June 22, 2018: Sarah Sanders and her family booted out of restaurant by left-wing owner.
    137. June 22, 2018: Member of Canadian media, Patrick Dussault, threatens Don Jr.s 4-year-old daughter
    138. June 22, 2018: Kirstjen Nielsen harassed by protesters outside her private home.
    139. June 22, 2018: Rep. Jackie Sperier (D-CA), compares border enforcement to Auschwitz.
    140. June 22, 2018: Left-wing activists vandalize billboard.
    141. June 22, 2018: On Morning Joe, Donny Deutsch smears Trump and his supporters as “Nazis.”
    142. June 21, 2018: Democrat state legislator in Pennsylvania greets Vice President Mike Pence with a “middle finger salute.”
    143. June 21, 2018: White House Senior Adviser Stephen Miller heckled and harassed at restaurant.
    144. June 21, 2018: Actor Adam Scott compares Tucker Carlson to a Nazi.
    145. June 20, 2018: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists publish list of ICE agents for harassment purposes.
    146. Jun 20, 2018: Florida man accused of threatening to kill Rep. Brian Mast (R-FL), a U.S. combat veteran, and his children in a series of nearly 500 calls to his office.
    147. June 20, 2018: Actor Peter Fonda calls for a mob to kidnap President Trump’s 11-year-old son and throw him in a cage with pedophiles.
    148. June 20, 2018: Actor Peter Fonda calls for a mob to sexually humiliate and abuse Sarah Sanders and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.
    149. June 20, 2018: Nancy Sinatra praises Peter Fonda for his tweets.
    150. June 20, 2018: Manhunt Underway For Central Pa. Man Accused Of Threatening To Kill President Trump, Other Officials
    151. June 20, 2018: Documentary filmmaker Josh Fox praises Peter Fonda for his tweets.
    152. June 20, 2018: Arnold Schwarzenegger calls for politicians in favor of border security to be put in cages.
    153. June 19, 2018: Kirstjen Nielsen harassed out of restaurant.
    154. June 19, 2018: Democrat interns screams “Fuck you!” at Trump through the halls of the U.S. Capitol. She was not fired.
    155. June 19, 2018: New Yorker fact checker publicly (and falsely) accuses a disabled war veteran who works for ICE of being a Nazi.
    156. June 16, 2018: Jewish Trump Supporter Attacked Outside Kathy Griffin Show In San Francisco
    157. June 15, 2018: Man has MAGA flag stolen at rally.
    158. June 15, 2018: CNN analyst heckles and screams at Sarah Sanders.
    159. June 14, 2018: Nancy Pelosi wonders why there ‘aren’t uprisings’ across nation: ‘Maybe there will be’
    160. May 30, 2018: Anti-Trump Band NOFX Tells Vegas Audience ‘At Least It Was Country Fans’ Killed in Oct. Shooting
    161. May 24, 2018: Anti-Trump forces threaten lawmakers’ lives in name of #Resistance
    162. May 23, 2018: Tomi Lahren has water thrown at her at Minnesota restaurant
    163. May 22, 2018: Trump supporter suspended from school over border wall t-shirt.
    164. May 21, 2018: 14 threats reported against EPA chief Scott Pruitt.
    165. May 18, 2018: Gunman shot at Trump golf club
    166. May 16, 2018: CNN’s Chris Cillizza puts Trump in crosshairs.
    167. May 14, 2018: Black man in MAGA hat harassed, threatened, called “nigger” at Cheesecake Factory.
    168. May 12, 2018: MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace asks “How do you resist the temptation to run up and wring [Sarah Sanders’] neck?”
    169. May 4, 2018: Chula Vista school mural depicts severed, speared Trump head
    170. May 2, 2018: San Antonio elected official threatens to poison Republicans’ food
    171. April 23, 2018: Trump supporter shouted out of bar in New York.
    172. April 13, 2018: Tourist in NY mugged at knifepoint while wearing MAGA hat — attackers wouldn’t give hat back
    173. April 8, 2018: David Crosby celebrates fatal Trump Tower fire: ‘oh boy … burn baby burn’
    174. April 7, 2018: Mental Health Expert who hates POTUS cheers Fire at Trump Tower-Jeffrey Guterman
    175. April 6, 2018: During Ellen appearance, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) “jokes” about killing Trump, Pence, Sessions on elevator.
    176. April 5, 2018: Orange Park, FL Trump supporter spends two hours in surgery after attack
    177. April 4, 2018: Councilwoman accused of yelling obscenities at teen wearing Trump shirt
    178. April 3, 2018: Woman brutally attacked in restaurant over support for Trump.
    179. April 1, 2018: Trump golf course sign vandalized.
    180. May 22, 2018: CNN guest on Trump: “If you’re going to shoot him, you have to shoot to kill.”
    181. March 21, 2018: Former VP Joe Biden says he beat the hell’ out of Trump if in high school
    182. March 19, 2018
  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    @#24:

    You can't even post a simple reply without shading the truth, can you?

    There's a whole lot of people whining about Elizabeth Warren's chosen defense of her honor, including certain members of the Cherokee Nation and the Democratic Party and virtually the entire Republican lying-press establishment, who are positively gleeful in their Native American bigotry. Everyone has the right to make their points, just like she has to make her's. Please tell us one politician on either side of any issue who pleases everyone all the time, whether they are part of their base or not.

    But it's not the tribes and the Democrats fanning the flames of ethnic hatred among the restless voters; it's Trump and the Republican Party. And they are doing so because they know deep down they can't win elections (or Supreme Court nominees) without lying, cheating, and stealing. Their track record is extensive.

    And why is it, in your mind, that to exercise the right of free speech and dissent must make one a de facto Republican when criticizing Democratic politicians? Those are your weasel words not mine. And they don't even make sense as a subtle dig within the context of the main arguments presented. It's just a dumb remark with no bearing on anything of importance, as usual.

    Again, you are either deliberately obfuscating and ignoring central points, which is your wont; or, you are just too far down the Republican primrose path, which is tearing society apart and destroying the environment (so that morally worthless billionaires can keep raping the people for ungodly profits), to realize your lack of veracity.

    In other words, you just can't help yourself from spreading Republican/billionaire lies to deflect from the fact that the man-child you support is a misogynistic pig, a pathological liar, and an unrepentant, horrible racist with no principled underpinnings, someone who is unfit to grace the White House as a representative of the people -- all of the people! That's the real point you are incapable of assessing or understanding.

    Wake up! Rank-and-file Republicans' shallow political opinions and glaring falsehoods fly in the face of solid facts and hard realities.

    These next two election cycles are a referendum on this truly ugly American asshole and the cowardly Republican congress wrapped around his little stink finger. Going deeper, this isn't even about Trump and his butt buddies as much as it is about clueless citizens who have surrendered their power to a madman with a God complex.

    Fortunately, the majority of the electorate is not Republican, nor do the People agree with that corrupted party's increasingly out-of-step and delusional political viewpoints, which can be boiled down to tax cuts for the rich and deregulation of their worldwide monopolies ...and damn the People!

    You're right about one thing though; checkmate is coming -- for King Twitter the Twit and his court of fools. With a looming defeat in the House and the Mueller probe wrapping up, it looks like they're well into their zugzwang.

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    DianeR,

    Portlands making Ca. look good!

    And then there's this.

    If they put their fingers in my salad I'll put my fork in their fingers! :)

    (TNS) Not Smart: A professor at the University of Mississippi has called on people to desecrate the meals of Republicans by “sticking” their hands in their food and stealing the rest of it because they don’t deserve “civility.”

    “Don’t just interrupt a senator’s meal, y’all. Put your whole damn fingers in their salads. Take their apps and distribute them to the other diners. Bring boxes and take their food home with you on the way out. They don’t deserve your civility,” James Thomas, an Assistant Professor at Ole Miss, tweeted Oct. 6, the day Justice Brett Kavanaugh was confirmed to the Supreme Court.

    Like a coward, he has since set his Twitter account to private.

    And a great night to you as well!

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    HotCoffee, loved the foot puppets. Much more talented than the band of Thom's malcontent sock puppets that used to post here.

    More viewing pleasure from the angry mob the democrat party has become.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1052719309263384576

    Portland has clearly become one of Americans shitholes.

    Have a great night.

  • The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018   5 years 50 weeks ago

    DS,

    Well if you want to declare the Cherokee Nation Republican it's ok with me, hope you're right! I doubt it though.

    Looks like your voters are going to get stuck at the border.

    Even CA. DMV admits screwing up the voter enrollment.. your fact checker needs a fact checker.

    Your missing todays CNN talking point...they're all on the cruelty talking point today....you really need to keep up.

    Checkmates comming. :)

  • The Corporate Conquest of America   5 years 50 weeks ago

    Still a great topic of debate.. great post once again and interesting read for a blue collar deck contractor that also does pool table repair on the side trying to make ends meet

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