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Yeah, that Forbes article synopsis the Farleigh Dickinson University poll quite nicely -- a very important finding that quickly disappeared down the corporate media memory hole, naturally.
I seldom watch any of their shallow, sensational baloney, no matter the ideological bent (more of a reader than a watcher). But it does seem that some of them, MSNBC particularly, is getting somewhat better at focusing -- to a degree, anyway -- on the truly momentous and consequential events that deeply impact all of us. Perhaps the intervening Trump years and the cascade of lies have woke them up a bit.
As far as responding to the lies and conspiracy theories madly proliferating on the right, Amanda Marcotte nailed it. Thom is also an inspiration for how to talk to "conservatives" without blowing a cork -- a truly herculean task.
Fair points.
I'm just wondering if we have enough sand left in the evolutionary hourglass before we destroy most life on Earth. If one follows the science at our current rate of carbon emissions, it ain't lookin good.
When's the last time climate change hit the front pages amidst all the nonstop coverage of the Trump lunacy? Humans are great at ignoring dire emergencies. The most powerful nation on Earth is largely acting like we're past the pandemic. We're not. And we're acting as if climate change is no big deal. It is.
De-evolution can't be ruled out.
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It is hard statistically to have racism fall along political lines in USA, unless all political parties are cosidered to be more or less racist.
If 98% of a place are yellow avocados and 2% red avocados, it is highly likely that the latter will be discriminated, and probably 98% of the time the discriminated against and 2% of the time for. It is in the avocado nature. Nature evolves, slowly but securely. To the extent that racism goes against it, it will eventually disappear due to natural selection. An after death experience in my case, but since i do not believe in afterlife such an experience will go unnoticed, so far as i am concerned. Still, evolution should continue at least for 2500 years after mi expiration date, and possibly more.
While Fox viewers tend to be misinformed (e.g. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/#5ed1be8b6189) there is no need to be rude - they may not realise it.
No, it's not OK.
Please keep it civil, everyone. If not, you will be booted. You have been warned!
Well, once it was a small town. Those old-age drugs are really working out well.
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I can feel your anger.
Didn't know that calling out your Fux News bullsht was a personal attack. In reverse, would your idea of banned speech also count for spreading unsourced disinformation about the scourge of racism then? That's the real mud.
Now, what's that label wingers hang on overly sensitive liberals who whine too much? Oh yeah, "snowflake." Sorry for "triggering" you. Mea culpa.
BTW, in addition to his overt racism, Trump built his entire political career on ad hominem attacks against anyone and everyone who dares to call out his over-the-top bullsht too. Hypocrisy comes in many flavors.
I also grew up in a small town called Los Angeles.
Moderator if there is one here:
I am new here so forgive me if I don't know all the rules.
Is it OK to throw out ad hominin attacks on other posters just because they are too biased to allow others to make comments that may or may not agree with the host?
Most forums I have participated in have a moderator that prevents personal attacks and bullying and those posters are quickly dealt with through public warnings followed by removal from the group. Does this forum follow that same practice?
If bulverism is permitted please let everyone know and we can go at it tooth and nail and drag this forum down into the mud.
Haha, good one. That might be a little before my time also.
It probably depends on the unique cultural makeup of each community as far as racism in the political sense; but by and large, in Trump's America at least, chances are that if you are a racist then you will vote Republican this fall.
Anecdotally, I grew up in a small town that was and mostly still is about 98 percent white. It was true then that there were unconscious bigots, if not full-fledged racists, who belonged to both major parties. Now, however, as the world gets smaller and people become more self-aware of their own prejudices, it seems that racism does fall along political lines.
I agree wholeheartedly, but i sense a diverting shift. I can accept that it is structural racism, which is a subset if racism. But i disagree with reducing the issue to a political one. Racism, even structural one, does not discriminate along political lines. I wish the oriblem was as easy as voting one party out, but it won't do the trick (based on past experience). Simoly because the parties voted in, will continue much of the same. Even in the 21st century and despite the progress in science, art and technology, the advancement in resolving intellectually basic issues, such as racism, appears painfully slow. We will get there eventually, at least that what Trevor Noah claims/hopes.
Social changes that require paradigm shifts apparently need time, time and time. Paguarizing Mark Vernon ("Plato's podcasts", page xx): ....Well ask yourselfwho wrote this:"Today most people favour the life of consumption and pursue pleasure or wealth or fame." It was Aristotle 2500 years ago.
Allegedly, i have not been living for that long to have first-hand experience.
There ya go again... There is no truth in what you say, just unsourced crap you pulled out of your butt or more likely the racist butts of the Fux News "oh-so-logical" hosts with whom you are obviously enthralled, and who no doubt feed your delusions. These illusory screeds are pitiful attempts at excusing and diluting the very real problem of right-wing hate and systemic racism that is destroying our civilian police forces and tearing our nation apart.
"White nationalism" is nothing but a cheap euphemism for "white supremacy." As the popular saying (falsely attributed to Sinclair Lewis, though he would be in full agreement) accurately predicted, "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Trump wingers are neither patriotic nor religious -- they are just liars.
Disgrace thaat it works in some states and not Red states.
I hope both countries will make good terms someday.
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Great pst @ #7! The wording is totally misleading, and giving DJT and his ilk a talking point because most people consider "defund" as gitting rid of police entirely.
Thom, Lately I have turned on Tucker Carlson and I have found him to be quite logical and he has called out Trump as well as many in his administration the latest being Jared Kushner. I am not ever going to say he is anywhere near center but I do find Brett Baier and Martha McCallum that precedes Carlson to be at least somewhat neutral and certainly far better than anything on CNN or MSNBC.
Like it or not, Tucker Carlson is dead on saying the BLM movement has taken over the news cycle, and yes many are afraid and have taken steps to protect themselves and their businesses. Is this a result of Carlson or may I suggest it is more generated by the media and their 24/7 coverage of marches, rioting, and looting that followed the unfortunate murder of George Floyd? Please also note that during all the turmoil, stores that had armed owners protecting the doors were largely left untouched and that too was on national television.
Am I surprised that the internet flared up with rumors that "they are coming to get you" and people all over the country in small towns took up arms? Hell no, people coming together to protect each other have been going on in this country for centuries whoever be the perceived enemy. Kneejerk reactions promote more kneejerk responses.
There are lots of youtube videos of small town makeshift militia ushering out those wishing to do harm but the cursing tells me it is better left to the readers here to do their own research.
Were they all racist driven? Probably mostly drawn from live media coverage of people looting and burning. I suggest regardless or color, race, or creed, none of them would have been welcomed in small town America on the nights following Floyd's murder at the hands of a crazed cop.
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An idea about wording: "defund the police" has conservatives accusing reformers of getting rid of police, even though it really means redirecting current police funding to less lethal and more effective measures. How about "re-fund the police" or "re-fund public safety"? Using the hyphen helps to understand the cops aren't going away, just that service to public safety is the goal and that is better for all of us. Thanks.
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Reforms will take a couple of years to decide on, implement, modify, and judge. Minneapolis may likely be a wacky experiment in Wild West Anarchy? Retail stores in many areas it's already Open Season for shoplifting and downright looting... No more armed police zooming around in patrol cars? Yeehaw! Can you imagine multiple break-ins happening every night all over town?
Gun sales have boomed, with a reported two million NEW gun owners first half 2020.. 1st Time gun owners who don't know much about guns. Last month broke the record for firearm sales. Online Video replays looting across the USA, and we have hordes of various White Confederates openly calling for a 2nd Civil War.. in this environment, somebody wants to de-militarize Police?
Police Abuse Of Power has been happening in ugly public view for over 50 years. Anyone got a good story to trade? I'm a fellow Oregonian.. our history has been terrible, in a supposedly liberal state and town. James Chasse was white, but his mental illness led to murder by Portland cops 14 years ago... The cop who beat him to death crushing 26 bones, left PDX and was promptly hired in another town. His documentary on YouTube: Alien Boy.
Eugene, home of The Oregon Ducks, is still paying settlements to 20+ women who were victims of Officer Magana and his friends on the Eugene force. Back around 2000, and for many years these cops raped women, in back seats of patrol cars, often at gunpoint. Yes the cops went to prison... but how could this happen in America? Reform is LONG overdue.. Its about time!
So how do we dig out a big fat juicy tick so deeply burrowed into our body politic without further destroying the host? We might soon find out if that's even possible in a country where violence and self-inflicted misery is so commonplace and so glorified -- a natural-seeming trait of humans struggling to survive on a harsh and unforgiving planet, a potentially fatal malady out of which we can't seem to evolve.
A quick glance at the daily headlines in the Un-united States and around the world, or just the popular selection of "entertainment" on Netflix, drives the point home of just how fckd we really are as a stupid, dying species. Violence comes in many forms from police brutality in our smallest communities, as Legend lays out, to the irreversible destruction of our home planet. Why do we accept it? Why do we glorify it?
As usual, our progressive community is trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Whomever coined the words" defund the police", wasn't thinking straight. All progressives know that phrase isn't to be taken literally, but the other side doesn't, and millions of voters won't vote for,, or believe in that "defunding". How about "reforming", or "change" being used in instead? By the use of that unfortunate framing, they've given the "Trumpististas" a weapon to use in the next election.
Wonder if Mexico will pay for it?
The Police are armed like the military because we have allowed the general population to be armed like the military. The Semi auto rifle is as close to the military version as you can get, considering the military rarely uses full auto. Interesting part is a lot of the police promote this civilian weaponry.
My small town has military style gear, Drones, A mobile command center (super RV with ultra high tech gear inside). Police all seem to pump iron. Armed to the teeth on a normal daily basis. We have a Xmas Tree lighting ceremony every year where they display all of this. Not displayed for info, in use to watch the public light a tree!
A lot of unmarked cruisers patrol the area. Women have been pulled over by fake police cars, raped and murdered. But the police still employ a lot of unmarked cars. Some are literally hot rods. What is wrong with a Police presence. That slows traffic. They obviously want the revenue generated by speeding tickets. The real winner is the insurance company that jacks up your rates for 5 years if you get a speeding ticket.
I witnessed the local police roughing up a young girl pan handling with a sign. Obviously a kid down on her luck. They were both brutes manhandling this young girl. They had her hand cuffed and then literally threw her into the back seat of the cruiser. Then slammed the door and high fived. I called to complain. They would not take a complaint over the phone. Felt that I would be marked if I went in.
Perhaps it would be a better question to ask, what political party is in charge of the cities where these outbreaks are most virulent.
Minneapolis which is rapidly descending into the lokes of Portland and Seattle being the most recent.
In Minneapolis, the democrats have been in full charge of the city council and the mayor's office since 1974 and both of those entities have full 100% control over the police department and all of its actions. Their current police chief is a progressive black man preceded by a lesbian chief of police. The progressive sheriff is an openly gay man.
Clearly the problem originates with the leadership and hopefully, the voters in cities that suffer the same progressive leadership realize the errors come election day.
Simple research shows Antifa's strong presence in that city and one of its leaders is none other than Vice Presidential candidate Tim Kaine's own son Linwood "Woody" Kaine.
Daddy and mommy must be so proud.
Time to go on what is wrong with Portland. Seattle has already been covered in the video Seattle is Dying.