Daily Topics - Friday February 19th 2010

bernie imagesQuote:  "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." --  Thomas Jefferson (letter to to George Logan, 1816)

Thom is "live" at CPAC today!

Hour One  "Brunch With Bernie" Senator Bernie Sanders

Hour Two - Myron Ebell www.cei.org Thoughts on CPAC, on Republicans vs Tea Partiers, on why these people believe the interests of Billionaires are the same as their interests?

Plus...Dan Gainor Vice President and T. Boon Pickens Free Market Fellow at the Business and Media Institute  www.businessandmedia.org Will the Tea Party folks eat the Republican Party or vice Versa, and why won't the White House OR Fox News respond to my questions about Citizens United?

Plus...Phyllis Schlafly www.eagleforum.org Unions and Supreme Court nominees - Why do you hate working people?

Hour Three - Heather Higgins www.IWVoice.org Govt health care is evil and must be stopped - Why do you hate Hawaiians?

Plus...Colin Hanna Presidenet of "Let Freedom Ring" www.letfreedomringusa.com Why are you trying to deny quality, affordable health care to working families?  (Why do you hate families?!)

Comments

Mark K (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#1

After watching the recent documentary about the Weather Underground, regardless of how one may judge their activities, one cannot help but be struck by how articulate, concise and straightforward their message was. When they issued their communiqués, they didn’t waste your time with rambling nonsense that only they could understand. They didn’t feel sorry for themselves; they knew that if they chose to, they could lead successful lives free of conflict, far away from urban misery. They viewed the world as corrupted by injustice, but they didn’t see themselves as the victims; they were putting their otherwise comfortable existences on the firing line in the cause of aiding those they viewed as members of the oppressed class.

On the other hand, people like Joe Stack have more in common with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and other right-wing extremists. These are people who internalize bad fortune or bad judgment into a conspiracy against themselves. The IRS, federal agents, the government—they are all conspiring against them personally to destroy their lives. These people are self-involved and self-pitying—so much so that they disdain life, and not just their own. These are people who would complain that no one will pay any attention to the injustices that have been inflicted upon themselves by agents of oppression unless they go out in a blaze of conflagration—and take as many people with them as possible. McVeigh, of course, hoped to escape his evil alive.

Many millions of people have also suffered in their lives, but they realize that sometimes it is due to poor decisions or living beyond their means. I’ve referenced my own fiscal situation and its consequences in an oblique fashion a few times here, but I’ve chosen to take a Dickensian view of the situation; after all, it makes a more a interesting story when you experience difficulties and talk about them in the hopes that someone might learn from your mistakes, rather than ramble on about what “they” did without explaining what exactly “they” did—or being purposefully vague about what you did to get yourself into misfortune.

Anyways, I read a PDF file of Stack’s “suicide e-mail,” and found it to be confused, disingenuous, and a bit nutty. Like all such sob-sister (or rather, sob-brother) harangues, it was fairly short in the detail and logic department. It is one thing to rail against corporations, politicians, and taxes; but it is wholly another thing to whine endlessly and pointlessly about personal travails without actually giving people a clue about how this your life was specifically undone by the forces of oppression.

He does give us some tidbits of information, but what little there is tells against him. What’s this about “undocumented income?” Didn’t he know that if you make early withdrawals from your IRA, it is subject to tax penalties? The only sense that we can make out of all of this is that perhaps there was financial hanky-panky going on that he was unable to face his wife and kid with. The specific tax law he referred to appears to be aimed at closing a loophole which allowed temp workers to claim that they were “independent contractors” or businesses for tax purposes.

No doubt Fox News and the rest of the right are going to find ways to judge this an indictment of Obama and the Democrats; what it may really be about is how the propaganda of the right resonates in minds of self-pitying sociopaths of the Tea Party/Patriot movement type. The “mainstream” media, meanwhile, has been loath to call this incident what it is, perhaps because its own failure to hold itself to even minimal levels of responsible reporting, allowing right-wing extremists and purveyors of paranoia and fear—even within its own ranks (see Fox News)—to drive public debate. This was a suicide attack on a specific target with the intent to kill as many people as possible; as Stark himself wrote in his statement, no one will pay attention to his “problem” unless the “body count” is big enough. It was an act of domestic terrorism by a white man. This is why the Sarah Palins, Tom Tancredos and Glenn Becks of the world who feed into and off this insanity are so dangerous. Tiger Woods’ private life is not the single most pressing issue facing the country today (or any day), as CNN and its corporate masters would prefer you to think.

Speaking of golf, the only thing that benefits from Woods' prolonged absence is the bruised egos of his fellow golfers. The longer he stays away, the more the game returns to its past status as a third-tier sport of little or no interest to the average sports fan, and with it loss in television share and decreasing revenue to fill the players’ pot. Golf owes Woods more than he owes them.

Mark K (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#2

There is a postscript to the incident regarding the girl who was beaten in Seattle’s Metro tunnel. This girl, who appeared on Good Morning America to tell her sad story, apparently isn’t the passive, innocent flower we were led to believe. She herself is currently charged and awaiting adjudication for beating senseless another female in an unrelated incident. I wonder how this is going to play on Oprah. Women, it is claimed, have a “natural” disinclination to violence (while men are “inclined” to violence). Fact or fantasy? Authentic or myth? Real or BS? Is it not a matter of quantity, but of degree the level of violence? The recent shooting spree at an Alabama university conducted by a professor named Amy Bishop could have been prevented—if justice had prevailed in 1986, when Bishop shot and killed her younger brother. Bishop’s mother claimed that it was an “accident,” although that didn’t explain why Bishop subsequently tried to hijack a passing motorist to escape the consequences. Police at the time had “probable cause’ to arrest her, but never did, and have yet to explain why.

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#3

re: Mark K re: Amy Bishop: Her family was probably rich and influential. They get away with almost everything. Rich people pay poor people to clean-up their messes.

"Did you hear the one about the misguided protester?...he laid down in front of a think tank." - anon

Quark (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#4

Votes, then a veto, for health care

Fresh off his CPAC speech, Gov. Tim Pawlenty turns down an extension of medical coverage for the poor, even after it passed the Legislature with overwhelming support.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/84727302.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQ...

And this guy wants to be the new head of the Republican Party. He has run the state of Minnesota into the ground, using the same "guiding principles" as Bush!

ulTRAX (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#5

I find it troubling that two people like Thom and Bernie who constantly talk about democracy, rarely seem to discuss how antidemocratic our Constitution is or how our system may be behind the increasing dysfunctionality in Washington and the disengagement of the People from politics.

What’s the point of elections if a candidate REJECTED by the People was imposed upon the nation by the Electoral College? And the Senate is SO malapportioned, that about 18% of the US population now gets about 52% of the seats! Is there any wonder it has developed such bizarre rules like the filibuster? What kind of "democracy" allows for minority rule?

As if being anti-democratic wasn’t bad enough, the Constitution is virtually reform proof. Worst, the Senate is protected by an additional poison pill that it no state can be denied equal suffrage without its consent. A simple amendment may not suffice, only a constitutional convention can change this… though there may be a backdoor to get around this:
http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/2010/02/reforming-anti-democrati...

It's in the very nature of US federalism that prevents any discussion on democracy. Bernie may believe in democratic principles in his heart, but he's also representing the tiny state of Vermont... and no small state wants to give up power it would lose in a democratically apportioned system. Sadly, even with Bernie, one of the best Senators we have, all talk of true democratic reform seems off the table. This is tragic since our system is NOT working, and demographic trends are making the Constitution more and more antidemocratic.

Warren Levine (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#6

Thanks for taking my call, and thanks to Senator Sanders for his evasive, circuitous answer to my specific question, which I'll paraphrase here: "What would be the worst thing that could possibly happen if just ONE lame-duck Senator (Harry Reid, for example) challenged the filibuster and got government back in motion again?"

Why was Senator Sanders UNABLE or UNWILLING to address my specific question and give me a direct answer???

Likely answer to my rhetorical question: Because he is a member of the exclusive "House of Lords" or "Hou8se of Nobles" that the United States Senate has become, and he doesn't want dirty tricks (like the filibuster) eliminated from future Senators' arsenals.

Is this not proof positive of the ENTIRE Senate's unwillingness to stop screwing around with our lives? If someone of Bernie Sanders' stature refuses to address the filibuster and the absolute standstill to which it has brought our government, then that is surely the death knell of the "hopey-changey thing" that we all worked our butts off for during the last election cycle.

For God's sake, the United States can't even bring democracy to the United States! WTF are we doing overseas? The Senate is a HUGE clusterbleep, and it ain't ever going to change until there is a loud public response and we progressives find the balls we had in the 1960s during the Civil Rights war, and the 1970s during Vietnam and Watergate.

We have gotten complacent, and we have to CLEAR OUT the Senate AND the House. I say let's start now.

Scott Layton (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#7

Why couldn't the military offer free clinics or even hospitals in major metropolitan areas and in rural areas without coverage? I heard an NPR story on Monday about new Medical Schools opening up in the United States, I think the story said the first time new schools have opened up since the 1960s. If the military could train doctors and nurses themselves, the nurses, interns and doctors could work at these new clinics or hospitals as part of their service duty. This would assist Americans in overall healthcare, make it easier for Americans to go to medical school, and could, in theory, decrease the amount of Doctors we have to hire from abroad.

Mark K (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#8

Since this is free-for-all Friday, I thought I’d comment on a report on ESPN last Sunday concerning the exclusion of female ski jumpers from the 2010 winter Olympics. The U.S. hopefuls were quick to blame “sexism,” launch f-bombs and other assorted colorful terms at the powers that be, and demanding that the male ski jumpers be excluded too. Frankly, lead plaintiff Lindsey Van gave me the impression of being too consumed with odium to allow for clear thought, so I didn’t feel much sympathy for her plight—especially when she declared that she was close enough to “kick” the IOC commissioner in the gonads when he came as an observer at one of the staged events to showcase the women’s ski jumping.

There were a few things that the report didn’t mention: that there is no longer an official U.S. men’s ski jump team, because of lack of funding; only three men who have a (slight) chance at medaling are competing at the Olympics, and all three essentially have to pay their own way. The high risk-to-low value ratio in a “dead-end” sport like ski jumping may be to blame for lack of interest in supporting it. In addition, the IOC ruling was based on the fact that there was little competitive value to be had, since there was a (very) small pool of “world class” participants in women’s ski jumping (baseball and softball as Olympic sports succumbed to the IOC ax, for now, for similar reasons), but promised to re-evaluate the situation in time for the 2014 winter Olympics.

Another Olympic event that should be discontinued is women’s ice hockey; the radio hosts on the local ESPN radio affiliate dared anyone to call into the show to contradict their assertion that women’s ice hockey was the All-Time Worst Olympic Sporting Event Ever. Nobody took-up the challenge; although cross country skiing is awful as well, a “sport” that induces sleep is preferable to one that induces a migraine. Apparently NBC lied when they said they wouldn’t deliberately try to embarrass the women by actually airing one of their hockey matches on television; one commentators observed that it was like watching novice skaters being pushed forward, their feeble progress arrested whenever they ran into another player.

Charles in OH (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#9

People do not buy stocks in a corporation to make a statement. People buy stocks in a corporation to make money.

Charles in OH (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#10

People join the NRA, AARP, NAACP... because they support what the organization stands for.

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#11

@Charles: but some people (whom I admire tremendously) buy stock so they can go to the meetings and vote their conscience.

Errata: the quote i previously used: "Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana." was originally uttered by Groucho Marx, not Townes Van Zandt.

Mark K (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#12

The problem I see with the argument that corporations speak for individuals is that how can the CEO of Wal-Mart presume to speak for his non-unionized workforce, especially when 90 percent of non-managerial workers may in fact be supporting Democrats? The upper tier has a "voice," but who is speaking for the lower tier within a corporation?

Charles in OH (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#13

@ harry - and the ones who voice their conscience are silenced by those that check the proxy box.

Bryan in Paddock Lake (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#14

I love listening to these so-called conservatives try and justify the SCOTUS Citizens United ruling "in the name of free speech."

Charles in OH (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#15

@ Mark K - The persons the corporation is speaking for are the shareholders, not the employees. If the employees want a say, they would need to form a union.

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#16

@Bryan: yeah! I guess this means corporations can yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -George W. Bush

Bryan in Paddock Lake (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#17

@harry: Even further, put up a video of a fire, crackling sound and all, then have a "person" of the corporation, since corporations are simply "made up of people" yell fire on behalf of the corporation!

@Charles: Bingo! The people the SCOTUS said who make up the corporations are the people working to help the corporation make a profit that the shareholders who own the corporations receive. Most of the owners of said shares aren't people at all, simply other corporations that are made up of people working to make them a profit. I think I made my head explode!

Mark K (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#18

If Thom hadn't told us he was interviewing Phyllis Schlafly at CPAC, I would have swore he was talking to Daffy Duck at Disney Land. It seemed to me that Thom was just trying not to take advantage of a person experiencing the onset of senility. I can't listen to any more of this garbage.

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#19

@Charles:

"@ harry – and the ones who voice their conscience are silenced by those that check the proxy box."

Yeah, but attending the meetings and speaking-up can make others in the room aware of the issues.

"Do you have blacks, too?..." -- George W Bush, to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#20

@Mark K. Yeah, its hard to believe Schlafly is an ideological leader... maybe a Cub Scout Den Mother...

mstaggerlee (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#21

@Mark K - Just to be clear, you'll NEVER see Daffy Duck at Disneyland - Daffy works for Warner Bros. Disney's Duck is Donald. :)

@harry ashburn - Not a contradiction, IMHO - Aren't Den Mothers the ideological leaders of Cub Scout packs?

Charles in OH (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#22

Heather Higgins is making the case against private healthcare by claiming that a government run program would base care on affordability. When she realized what she was saying she quickly hid behind "choice".

Choice is not a choice if you cannot afford it.

Charles in OH (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#23

Oops, edit:

Heather Higgins is making the case for private healthcare by claiming that a government run program would base care on affordability. When she realized what she was saying she quickly hid behind “choice”.

Choice is not a choice if you cannot afford it.

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#24

@mstaggerlee: I'm still trying to figure out what IMHO means.

Charles in OH (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#25

Oh, I get it now. Its not the choice of 1300 insurance companies offering a myriad of policies to choose from; its the choice of insurance or food and shelter.

Charles in OH (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#26

Harry - in my humble opinion

mstaggerlee (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#27

@harry -

In
My
Humble
Opinion

Perhaps, as opposed to being an ideological leader, Ms. Schlafly is more of a scatological leader? :)

DDay (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#28

@ Mark K
re: The problem with the argument...Corporate voices

You make perfect, logical, uncommon, good sense. That's your problem. We are a country at war with ourselves. Rational arguments are scoffed at by the extreme right where intolerance, fear, and anger are utilized to motivate the masses to vote against their own best economic interests. Many Tea baggers are only a more extreme example of virulent form of the infection. People like Dick Armey and the others behind these efforts are serving the interests of the greedy by encouraging division between people. When your serving the few over the many, the only way to win over superior numbers is to divide and conquer. The powerful and wealthy few are actively engaged in securing the media and the government in order to retain their dominion over the many. Money is their weapon and their aim. Turning the truth on it's head is their strategy. Telling lies is their tactic and manipulating prejudices is their method. The January 21st SCROTUS DECISION was the Supreme Court doing it's part for the cause of greed. Mark K, you just make too much common sense. You commoner you!

Charles in OH (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#29

IMHO, I find acronyms overused and confusing. Texting is destroying our language.

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#30

I think these neo-cons need to walk a mile in the shoes of the poor for a few months or years. They act like its so simple. "Simple answers for simple minds" - Rush's motto

"Hurray, boys! We've got them. We'll finish them…" -- General George Custer, before Little Big Horn

moonbat666 (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#31

Thom was talking to----------HARD - HEARTED - HEATHER - HIGGINS. She's harder than the hubs of hell. She's lower than a snake. Meaner than a jukyard dog. If she only had a British accent. I'll bet that gal was smoking hot. I only say that because Thom's a little shy around smoking hot gals.

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#32

@mstaggerlee: re: "scatological leader"... I understand she is a graduate of Hamburger U., majoring in Scatology (with honors).

mstaggerlee (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#33

@harry ashburn -

The only thing the neocons want to do with the shoes of the poor is wear them out faster, so they'll need to be replaced more often,

I'm beginning to think that Marie Antoinette was the ORIGINAL neocon, in that her famous quote pretty much sums up how well the rich in this country relate to the poor - "The people have no bread? So, let them eat cake!"

Now there's ideological leadership for ya! :)

mstaggerlee (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#34

Photo of H.H. Heather Higgins here -

http://www.iwf.org/experts/show/324.html

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#35

@mstaggerlee: where'd ya get the smiley?

mstaggerlee (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#36

@harry - ya just type a colon and a close paren - the site puts in the emoticon for you.

BTW - IMHO is nothin' new - it's been around since the dawn of e-mail. OMG, how can you not know that? :D

(That last one is a colon and an uppercase D.)

DDay (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#37

@ harry ashburn

Have mine :-0

DDay (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#38

Or this one ? :-0

DDay (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#39

:-)

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#40

@mstaggerlee: re: "IMHO is nothin’ new – it’s been around since the dawn of e-mail. OMG, how can you not know that?"

ummm.....I'm old and don't have any grandkids to show me this stuff. Sorry. thx for the info! EIEIO. :),:D

DDay (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#41

Al Jolson in the "Jazz Singer"? :-0 :-D

moonbat666 (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#42

@mstaggerlee------- I knew it. I've been married for 25 years, but I'm sure my wife would forgive me for this one transgression. I've always been very, very weak around beauty like this. She's hot. Thanks for photo. Thom's voice still has a little quiver in it. He'll get better.

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#43

I've always been hesitant to use smileys cause..how do you know if they're over 18? You might get a Smiley Cyrus.:)

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#44

re: "hot chick"...wonder how Louise is taking all this?

moonbat666 (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#45

Hey, listen up!! It's friday. Pour a tall one. Have some wine. Relax. Enjoy some herbal remedies. Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannibanol might have some soothing effects on your over-worked brains.

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#46

@moonbat666: or...smoke 'em if you got 'em!

Quark (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#47

Warren Levine,

Unfortunately, the Senate is an exclusive club where, if one is to survive, he must form allegiances with others, often to the detriment of the "people back home." Bernie is still a good guy. I think we could cut him a little slack.

moonbat666 (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#48

affects-effects-----i always *^&# up

harry ashburn (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#49

@mstaggerlee; RE;"i always *^&# up"

Me too....especially after the herbal remedies.

moonbat666 (not verified) 16 years 7 weeks ago
#50

@harry----------back at you--------canonball-------

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